They Will Turn Their Ears Away From the Truth, and be Turned Aside to Fables
I do believe that we shall end up understanding the origin and structure of the Universe. In fact we are already close to it. In my opinion, there is no one aspect of reality beyond the scope of the human mind.
Hawking’s entire argument is built upon theism. He is, as Cornelius Van Til put it, like the child who must climb up onto his father’s lap into order to slap his face.
Take that part about the “human mind” for example. Under atheism there is no such thing as a mind. There is no such thing as understanding and no such thing as truth. All Hawking is left with is a box, called a skull, which contains a bunch of molecules.
Hawking needs God in order to deny Him.
It’s funny how atheists are the first ones to make high claims about their knowledge, to appeal to the truth, to cast their judgments about right and wrong. Knowledge, truth, right and wrong? These are all concepts that, qua atheists, they have already forfeited.
Man’s hatred of God drives him to all kinds of internal contradictions.
As Paul warned Timothy, “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.”
Dr.Hunter:
ReplyDeleteHawking’s entire argument is built upon theism. He is, as Cornelius Van Til put it, like the child who must climb up onto his father’s lap into order to slap his face.
Only a theist could think that,to an atheist it makes as much sense as insulting Santa by not believing in him.
Take that part about the “human mind” for example. Under atheism there is no such thing as a mind.
Does the fact that your belief conflicts with reality give you any pause?
There is no such thing as understanding and no such thing as truth.
Complete understanding and absolute truth.
All Hawking is left with is a box, called a skull, which contains a bunch of molecules.
Logically not even a box, after all a box is just a bunch of atoms. I guess it is too bad that atheists don't conform to your theistic version of what they must believe.
VS: rocks -- even refined ones made into computational devices, are GIGO limited blind cause effect machines. They have and can have no dreams. That is why computation is not contemplation and the attempts to get the latter from the former amount to trying to get north by going due west. And scientism is a failure as a frame of thought for grounding knowledge. KF
ReplyDeleteF/N: Reppert on the futility of trying to collapse minds into brains:
ReplyDelete>>. . . let us suppose that brain state A, which is token identical to the thought that all men are mortal, and brain state B, which is token identical to the thought that Socrates is a man, together cause the belief that Socrates is mortal. It isn’t enough for rational inference that these events be those beliefs, it is also necessary that the causal transaction be in virtue of the content of those thoughts . . . [[But] if naturalism is true, then the propositional content is irrelevant to the causal transaction that produces the conclusion, and [[so] we do not have a case of rational inference. In rational inference, as Lewis puts it, one thought causes another thought not by being, but by being seen to be, the ground for it. But causal transactions in the brain occur in virtue of the brain’s being in a particular type of state that is relevant to physical causal transactions. >>
Haldane is also biting:
>> "It seems to me immensely unlikely that mind is a mere by-product of matter. For if my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true. They may be sound chemically, but that does not make them sound logically. And hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms. In order to escape from this necessity of sawing away the branch on which I am sitting, so to speak, I am compelled to believe that mind is not wholly conditioned by matter.” [["When I am dead," in Possible Worlds: And Other Essays [1927], Chatto and Windus: London, 1932, reprint, p.209. >>
The evolutionary materialist account of mind, credibly, is inescapably incoherent. KF
Onlookers wait expectantly for your coherent explanation.
DeleteAs in here on, starting with the hard problem of consciousness, with the Derek Smith model as a way to open up possibilities rather than foreclose by imposing a priori materialism. And, here at UD recently, on why blind cause-effect chain GIGO-limited computing will not rise to the standard of insight-driven, meaning based reasoning . . . as Reppert outlined and as Leibniz hinted at centuries ago with his comparison to mill wheels blindly grinding away. KF
DeletePhilosophical Theist did a neat picture of your quote on FB Dr. Hunter
ReplyDelete"Under atheism there is no such thing as a mind. There is no such thing as understanding and no such thing as truth. All Hawking is left with is a box, called a skull, which contains a bunch of molecules.
Hawking needs God in order to deny Him."
- Cornelius Hunter
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Wow, that's great. Thanks ba.
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ReplyDeleteVS: rocks -- even refined ones made into computational devices, are GIGO limited blind cause effect machines.
In other words, the pattern of matter which form rocks is limited to certain parameters.
They have and can have no dreams.
Unless one believed the source of dreams was immaterial.In which case how would one know the a rock did not have the immaterial ability to dream just because rocks are silent on the matter?
If one then argued that proposed immaterial ability to dream is contingent on a object having a certain pattern of matter ,brain vs rock, then it would hard to see how the ability to dream is different than any other physical property contingent on a certain pattern of matter.
That is why computation is not contemplation and the attempts to get the latter from the former
Then is the reciprocal true as well? That which contemplates cannot calculate?
to trying to get north by going due west.
Drive due west on an road with a ninety degree curve.In Rockies sometimes you have to go West to go North.
Excellent post post Dr Hunter.
ReplyDeleteI wish Mr Hawkings well with his health issues and enjoyed a big bio on him on PBS a year ago or so.
ReplyDeleteBUT. I do not understand why he is exalyed above other scientists.?
What has he discovered or patented?
It seems he got famous dealing with minor matters about black holes etc.
most people couldn't tell you what his contribution is to science and thats the clue.
I think he was simply another science writer and a existing prejudice that cosmogy stuff matters more then other stuff and so even a little fame there goes a long way.
In reality I don't see why he's in the big leagues of scientific accomplishment .
I wish he could be yet.
His ideas on God I don't see as more relevant then anyone.
the list of actual great thinkers and inventors in science are the ones to note if one is noting anyone.
Note: onward remarks and links above, here. KF
ReplyDeleteLogically complete cosmological concept. /due to lack of knowledge of the English language was not able to correct the translation Implemented by Google/
ReplyDeleteIn order to present the unlimited space originally:
1. homogeneous - enough to postulate the presence in it of two elements with Simple and Complex /closed systematically/
2. heterogeneous - enough to postulate the presence in it of one more element - the Most High and Almighty God - with open systematically.
It is easy to assume that even at the lowest possible deployment of the intangible component of the essence of God - the Spirit of God - for the level of the original downwardly directed the permanent deployment of the material component of the essence of God, there is a curtailment of Simple and Complex /i.e.. It is their decay due to blocking of origin upwardly directed constantly deploy intangible components of the entity / as much as possible heterogeneous to God's essence minimum possible number of cell uniformity (1H), and God on the basis of the material components of the 1H deploys the minimum possible heterogeneous to its essence as possible numerically elemental homogeneity (2H). Coagulation process will begin in 2H known God start time since the completion of its deployment. curtailment of the Spirit of God to the level of initial deployment again unfolds 1H - God potential for transformation 1H into 2H and 1H into 2H limitless!
Logically complete cosmological concept. /due to lack of knowledge of the English language was not able to correct the translation Implemented by Google/
ReplyDeleteIn order to present the unlimited space originally:
1. homogeneous - enough to postulate the presence in it of two elements with Simple and Complex /closed systematically/
2. heterogeneous - enough to postulate the presence in it of one more element - the Most High and Almighty God - with open systematically.
It is easy to assume that even at the lowest possible deployment of the intangible component of the essence of God - the Spirit of God - for the level of the original downwardly directed the permanent deployment of the material component of the essence of God, there is a curtailment of Simple and Complex /i.e.. It is their decay due to blocking of origin upwardly directed constantly deploy intangible components of the entity / as much as possible heterogeneous to God's essence minimum possible number of cell uniformity (1H), and God on the basis of the material components of the 1H deploys the minimum possible heterogeneous to its essence as possible numerically elemental homogeneity (2H). Coagulation process will begin in 2H known God start time since the completion of its deployment. curtailment of the Spirit of God to the level of initial deployment again unfolds 1H - God potential for transformation 1H into 2H and 1H into 2H limitless!