It’s Where They Wanted To Go
In the original Star Trek pilot entitled “The Cage,” the Enterprise receives a distress signal from a long lost exploration vessel. The signal was transmitted 20 years ago, and the Enterprise responds hoping to find survivors. The landing party arrives at the planet’s surface and, indeed, they find elderly crew members who have carved out a living for themselves on the distant planet. It is a futuristic version of “The Swiss Family Robinson,” but there’s just one problem: It is all an illusion.The planet has an advanced civilization living underground. They produced an illusion that was exactly what Captain Pike wanted to see. The elderly crew, happily and resourcefully making a life for themselves was exactly what everyone was hoping for (click now on video).
It is the same with evolution’s poster child, Inherit the Wind. Whereas Arthur Miller was worried critics would think he was skewing history for a mere partisan purpose with his brilliant play, The Crucible, [1] Jerome Lawrence and Robert Lee had no such compunction in writing their blatantly false, two-dimensional cartoon version of the 1925 Monkey Trial.
When Miller travelled to Salem he uncovered something profound. The Witch Trial records were eerily parallel to the anti-Communist hysteria of the 1940s. His task was not to contrive a silly fiction, but to reveal a dangerous, and all too real, stain within humanity. False accusations, smears, character assassination, black-balling, secret lists, group-think, and cowardice. It was all there.
Unlike The Crucible, Inherit the Wind fails to uncover in Dayton, Tennessee, an underlying theme or connection to McCarthyism. So Lawrence and Lee did something Miller never did—they constructed a false illusion.
John Scopes becomes a humble and tireless science teacher hauled off to jail by an angry mob of fundamentalists, led by a vitriolic Reverend Jeremiah Brown, for trying to enlighten his science students. In fear for his life he contacts journalist Henry Louis Mencken for help in securing a lawyer. The townspeople march in protest, singing hymns, and the William Jennings Bryan character—a loudmouth glutton—is slayed by the Clarence Darrow protagonist. None of this ever happened.
This is the mythological Warfare Thesis set to script. Inherit the Wind is an enduring and durable tale not because it uncovers an important truth but because it plays to humanity’s weakest tendencies. The script presents a false reality. It is a mythical tale using the 1925 Monkey Trial to gain an aura of realism.
As NT Wright said of Darwin, the reason why Inherit the Wind gets the mileage that it does is because that is where people wanted to go.
As with “The Cage,” the illusion is what people want to believe. Just as the alien civilization produced an illusion that was precisely what Captain Pike would want to see, Inherit the Wind is precisely the Warfare Thesis illusion that evolutionists want to see. Flyover country is full of dangerous, anti-intellectual, fundamentalists who need to be set straight by the likes of Spencer Tracy.
Inherit the Wind, and the broader Warfare Thesis myth, have fueled precisely what Miller helped to expose. Inherit the Wind claims to oppose the dangerous, anti-intellectual, fundamentalism, but, in fact, it reinforced it. Instead of labelling people as communists, they are now labelled as anti-science. Otherwise the scene remains complete with the usual false accusations, character smears, black-balling, secret lists, group-think, and cowardice. It’s all still there.
Evolutionists are the dangerous, anti-intellectual, fundamentalists. The American Bar Association absurdly rates Inherit the Wind as one of the top legal movies of all time.
And the ABA is not simply a lone nut. Legal expert Andrew Cohen not only gave high praise to Inherit the Wind, but ridiculously called it “one of the great trial movies of all time.”
Judge John Jones—exalted as one of Time magazine’s 100 Most Influential People of the Year—unbelievably revealed that he actually wanted to see Inherit the Wind a second time in preparation for the 2005 Dover case, over which he presided, because, after all, the film puts the origins debate into its proper “historical context.”
Proper historical context? You’ve got to be kidding.
What a classic mistrial. Jones had been so indoctrinated by the Warfare Thesis that he actually believed the evolutionary propaganda to be historically accurate. If the perfect crime is the one that is never discovered, the perfect propaganda is the one that is never understood. Jones later reminisced about the trial, unbelievably explaining that “I understood the general theme. I’d seen Inherit the Wind.” Jones was not educated, he was brainwashed.
It’s where they wanted to go.
1. Arthur Miller, “Why I Wrote ‘The Crucible’,” The New Yorker, Oct 21, 1996.
Cornelius, I've always known that original pilot Star Trek movie as "The Menagerie"
ReplyDeleteKevin,
Delete"Cornelius, I've always known that original pilot Star Trek movie as "The Menagerie"
The Cage was the original Star Trek pilot but it was not televised as filmed until after the end of the original series. The Menagerie was a two part episode of the original series which took elements from The Cage and incorporated them into a new story line which included Kirk. Kirk was not in The Cage as Jeffrey Hunter, as Capt. Pike, was to be the captain of the Enterprise. Hunter dropped out before production was approved and was replaced by William Shatner as Kirk.
Inherit the Wind was pure Darwinist propaganda produced by simpletons who knew next to nothing about molecular biology. The recently produced play, Disinherit the Wind, is much more accurate in its portrayal of the science. See link below.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOQQYe9GFyo
LoL! I didn't see your post before I posted a link to that play. I have the book- it's awesome.
DeleteI suppose if one can't refute the solid science that supports evolutionary theory the next best thing is to attack a 50+ year old movie or the results of a 10+ year ago trial ID-Creationism lost badly.
ReplyDeleteLoL! There isn't any evolutionary theory and evolutionism doesn't have any science tat supports it.
DeleteFor example no one knows how to test teh claim that stochastic processes produced ATP synthase. Not only that but the peer-reviewed paper "Waiting for Two Mutations" pretty much refutes evolutionism.
Evotard Timothy Horton's mission is to spend his entire life inheriting the wind. The idiot cannot live without a constant warfare between good science and evil creationism. Science belongs only to the evotards, you see. Nobody has the right to call themselves scientists if they refuse to worship the Flying Dirt Monster.
DeleteAtheist Isaac Asimov once wrote a sci-fi story (Nightfall) that epitomizes the warfare thesis. Atheists cannot live without an idealized enemy. Horton goes bezerk when he realizes that not all Christians fall under his cookie-cutter creationist label.
The warfare thesis is really the symptom of an inferiority complex. LOL
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DeleteThe warfare thesis is really the symptom of an inferiority complex.
Most Creationists do have a rather severe inferiority complex. It stems from having to constantly deal with science they don't understand and evidence their ID nonsense can't explain.
All evolutionists have a rather severe inferiority complex. That comes from being unable to test the claims their position makes. They cannot deal with science, heck it is clear most don't even know what science is. They don't even have a methodology nor a mechanism capable of explaining life's diversity
DeleteEvolutionary science is pure unmitigated superstition based on the belief that dirt gave rise to life and that primitive organisms self-organized to create reptiles, whales and monkeys. LOL
DeleteEvolution just a Big Brother religion (the Church of the Flying Dirt Monster, the one true religion) pretending to be science. It can only succeed through incessant lies, mass propaganda and the forced brainwashing of young minds. Worst of all, evolutionists steal the taxpayer's money to preach their chicken-feather voodoo cult in our schools, something that is forbidden by the constitutions of the majority of the countries of the world.
As Feyerabend once wrote in Against Method, "the most stupid procedures and the most laughable result in their domain are surrounded with an aura of excellence. It is time to cut them down to size and to give them a lower position in society."
We need a truly secular society. It's time to kick the con artists and the pretenders out. LOL
Evolutionary science is an oxymoron.
DeleteSolid science? Haven't seen it.
ReplyDeleteID is not Creationism. Do your homework.
If ID lost badly, why is it still around and growing? Judge Jones was and is an ideologue. His ruling was absurd because he went beyond the parameters of the case.
Stewart
DeleteIf ID lost badly, why is it still around and growing?
ID is growing? The only place still pushing ID is the RW religious think-tank Discovery Institute. Their sham science journal Bio-Complexity had a grand total of 2 articles in 2015 and 0 so far in 2016.
The only thing growing on ID is mold.
ID grows with every new discovery and the fact that your position doesn't have a methodology to test its claims.
DeleteSome fat fool Frankie at TSZ posted this
Delete"That’s easy – for starters post-ID research doesn’t have anything to do with ID."
Do you agree? Since you claim ID is already detected, what post-ID research that has nothing to do with ID are the ID researchers doing?
Does evolutionary research have anything to do with the OoL? Or are you just an ignorant troll?
DeletePost-ID research comes after ID is the accepted paradigm. Your selective quotes just prove that you are willfully ignorant.
Joe G
DeletePost-ID research comes after ID is the accepted paradigm
So ID will do no research until after ID is accepted scientific consensus. But ID will never be the accepted scientific consensus until the research is done which demonstrates ID's positive case. Sounds like you have a bit of a chicken/egg problem.
In the meantime ID "researchers" sit on their fat asses and swill beer? Why can't they do any research now? Two papers in a sham journal in two years won't cut it.
So ID will do no research until after ID is accepted scientific consensus.
DeleteOnly an imbecile would come to that conclusion from what I said. And here you are.
ID research is about the detection and study of design in nature. And it is going on right now. OTOH your position doesn't have any methodology to test its claims.
But ID will never be the accepted scientific consensus until the research is done which demonstrates ID's positive case.
LoL! Only an imbecile would think science is done by consensus, and here you are, again. IDists have made a positive case and you and yours don't have anything to counter it.
How many papers support the claim that stochastic processes produced ATP synthase? Zero
Talk about a sham.
Steward: "If ID lost badly, why is it still around and growing?"
DeleteWhat is your evidence that ID is growing?
Note that William Dembski (arguably one of the leading intellects behind ID, if not the primary one) has decided to move on to other things: https://billdembski.com/a-new-day/
Yes, Dembski has realized that it is futile to try to get through to the willfully ignorant.
DeleteID is growing due to the science and the evidence. And the fact that no one else has any viable explanation for what we observe.
Baghdad Bob Joe G
DeleteID is growing due to the science and the evidence. And the fact that no one else has any viable explanation for what we observe.
ID is growing? No viable evidence for evolution?
Evolutionary science journals produce more research papers in a week that the entire ID community has produced over its whole existence. :D
The simple fact is there is no ID "research". None. There's the DI churning out religious propaganda and that's it.
No viable evidence for evolution?
DeleteLoser. There isn't any viable evidence for evolutionism. No one knows how to test the claim that ATP synthase arose via stochastic processes.
ID is not anti-evolution and your cowardly equivocation is duly noted.
CaroleTim
DeleteNote that William Dembski (arguably one of the leading intellects behind ID, if not the primary one) has decided to move on to other things: https://billdembski.com/a-new-day/
Dembski's latest has seen him come out as an anti-vaxxer. He traded one pile of pseudoscience woo for another.
Joe: "ID is growing due to the science and the evidence. And the fact that no one else has any viable explanation for what we observe."
DeleteOK, but where is the actual evidence for this? e.g., can you point to an increase in papers, curriculum, web sites, patents, conferences, books, citations etc? Otherwise it just seems like an assertion on your part.
Look , no one knows how to test the claim that ATP synthase arose via stochastic processes. That goes for all biological systems and subsystems. All yours has are assertions.
DeleteAT least ID has a viable scientific methodology for testing its claims.
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DeleteEvotard Horton:
DeleteDembski's latest has seen him come out as an anti-vaxxer. He traded one pile of pseudoscience woo for another.
Which is the worse example of pseudoscience, being and anti-vaxxer or worshipping dirt as the mother of life? We all know the answer. Yet Timothy Horton believes that inert dirt is the mother of life.
ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahaha...
CaroleTim
DeleteJoe: "ID is growing due to the science and the evidence. And the fact that no one else has any viable explanation for what we observe."
OK, but where is the actual evidence for this? e.g., can you point to an increase in papers, curriculum, web sites, patents, conferences, books, citations etc? Otherwise it just seems like an assertion on your part
Joe, you didn't answer CaroleTim's question. Where is the evidence ID is growing?
The evidence is everywhere. For example, GAS model evolution by intelligent design. Unfortunately you are too stupid to assess it.
DeleteOTOH there isn't any evidence that unguided evolution can produce ATP synthase.
Joe G
DeleteFor example, GAS model evolution by intelligent design.
That isn't evidence for the intelligent design of biological life. Where's your evidence the work on the ID of biological life is growing?
Timmy:
DeleteWhere's your evidence the work on the ID of biological life is growing?
Science- for example there isn't any way to test the claims of your position and ID has a scientific methodology.
OK, you have no evidence ID is growing and are just spewing your usual non-answers to cover. Got it.
DeleteOK so you don't have anything of substance to say and you sure as hell cannot tell us how to test the claims your position makes.
DeleteOh dear, Joe G was caught lying about ID's accomplishments again. Not surprising since he's been caught dozens of times lying about his own accomplishments.
DeleteOh dear, Timmy is exposing his ignorance again. Not surprising there as he has been caught spewing ignorant shit for decades.
DeleteCaroleTim: "Note that William Dembski (arguably one of the leading intellects behind ID, if not the primary one) has decided to move on to other things:"
DeleteYes, he is perfecting the phrase, "Would you like fries with that?"
So he is taking your job? Oops, you are a bathroom attendant...
DeleteJoe/Virgil/Frankie/Toaster Boy: "ID is growing due to the science and the evidence."
DeleteThe acceptance of undirected evolution has been increasing in the US. You have a strange definition of growing.
LoL! Why does anyone accept it seeing that it cannot be tested nor modelled?
DeleteYou are obviously deluded.
Joe/Virgil/Frankie/Toaster Boy: "ID is growing"
DeleteOnly if ID stands for IDiotic Delusions.
Well Joe, I'd read the all the ID research but there isn't any.
DeleteLoL! You couldn't understand scientific research if your life depended on it. I would read all of the undirected evolution research but there isn't any.
DeleteNo one knows how to test the claims your position makes, Timmy. Obviously you are just a gullible infant.
I understand that it bothers you that your position makes untestable claims and because of that isn't science. But attacking ID with your ignorance is not helping.
DeleteI love the way Joe's multiple chins quiver when he gets angry. :)
DeleteLoL! As if your ignorance and scientific illiteracy makes me angry.
DeleteI love the way Timmy has to try to distract from the fact his position doesn't make scientific claims.
Disinherit the Wind- a new play exposing the BS of evolutionists and evolutionism.
ReplyDeleteA better title for the latest ID-Creationist propaganda effort would be Breaking The Wind. You can even get Bill Dembski to do the soundtrack like he did for his Judge Jones animation. :)
DeleteYou do realize that Darrow lost the case.
ReplyDeleteYou do realize that Darrow, like the coward he was, refused to be questioned even after he agreed to it.
DeleteBTW the "Loading" link on the James Tour thread seems to have broken. You can no longer load posts past number 200. Seems to be a problem with the javascript.
ReplyDeleteMost likely a problem with your computer. I cleared my cache and now it loads for me
DeleteYou are just beginning to realize that?
ReplyDeleteSadly, yes.
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DeleteNot nearly as stupid as the fat fool Creationist who claimed
ReplyDeletewavelength = frequency
and
ice isn't water.
:D :D :D
Ice isn't water. Ice may be made up of water molecules but it has a specific matrix that water does not have. Can you swim in ice? No. Can you swim in water? Yes.
ReplyDeleteAnd when I turn the frequency dial of my signal generator the only thing that changes is the wavelength! Go figure.
But then again there is no way Timmy will understand any of that...
ReplyDeletePoster Boy Joe: "And when I turn the frequency dial of my signal generator the only thing that changes is the wavelength! Go figure."
ReplyDeleteSo that is what you are calling your anatomically correct inflatable doll now.
Your mother is not an inflatable doll.
ReplyDeleteHere's a challenge for you Joe.
ReplyDeleteI'll give you the frequency of a signal propagating through the medium of my choosing and you tell me the wavelength.
Should be easy since you claim frequency = wavelength, right?
Will you take the challenge or will you cowardly puss out like you always do?
I'll give you the frequency of a signal propagating through the medium of my choosing and you tell me the wavelength.
ReplyDeleteSo you are too stupid to understand my explanation, as predicted.
Every specific wave has one and only one wavelength and one and only one frequency that corresponds directly to tat wavelength.
I'll give you the frequency of a signal propagating through the medium of my choosing and you tell me the wavelength.
ReplyDeleteYou should be able to do that as there are such calculators on the internet
ghostrider:
ReplyDeletePoor baby engineer. So much ignorance, so little time.
Researchers Demonstrate Possible Primitive Mechanism of Chemical Info Self-Replication
But what do those idiot OOL researchers at Caltech know compared to a new EE? ?
Oh I thought we were discussing OOL in which molecules are considered that actually have some kind of precursor status with the RNA world or something, You know nucleic acids, proteins, etc.
Researchers Demonstrate Possible
Looks like these guys are thinking what's possible too. Dreaming what's possible with crystals, instead of realistic, energy and information processing arrangements.
And wow that's really big science. Telling us what possibly might have happened. Should be front page news.
Look at me I'M AN ENGINEER!
Hey ghostrider: since I'm using a screen name, why would I care that anyone notices my training, and give me kudos. But I wouldn't expect you to consider that.
There's maybe one person reading here knows my identity.
Look at me I'M AN ENGINEER!
DeleteHey ghostrider: since I'm using a screen name
If you C&P more homework from your undergrad EE classes all the girls will know you're a fart smella, er, smart fella!
Yeah, Timmy just drools and soils itself to try to get a date
DeleteChubs, isn't this where you normally start posting your porn links? I'm sure Cornelius will love that side of you too.
DeleteWhat porn link? You are obviously lying again.
DeleteC'mon Chubs, post your "tunie" pic that got you banned at TSZ. You know you want to.
DeleteI am beginning to realize that Darwinists are stupid. Seriously.
ReplyDeleteThey are not just stupid. They are stupid as dirt. Anybody who believes that order can arise out of chaos via random process is an idiot and should be relentlessly vilified and ridiculed.
The dirt worshippers are convinced that they are smarter than everyone else. Their insufferable pomposity is legendary. Their deceptive nature is worse than their stupidity. They think they are so smart as to fool the entire world. Problem is, the world will reject them and their stupid superstitious religion.
Joe G
ReplyDeleteGR: "I'll give you the frequency of a signal propagating through the medium of my choosing and you tell me the wavelength."
You should be able to do that as there are such calculators on the internet
Joey! Joey! Here puss puss puss puss puss puss! Joey!
Darn. Looks like Joe G pussed out again when his stupidity was challenged. He always does.
LoL! Timmy gets caught moving the goalposts and has its usual hissy-fit.
ReplyDeleteAs I said over on atbc if the wave is on my o'scope I can easily tell you both its frequency and wavelength just by looking at the same wave.
And when I turn the frequency dial of my signal generator the only thing that changes is the wavelength! Go figure
If I was wrong then that wouldn't happen
I love the way Timmy has to try to distract from the fact his position doesn't make scientific claims.
ReplyDeleteLoL! Timmy admits that it is too stupid to understand simple explanations. And like the coward it is, moves the goalposts and doesn't grasp the fact that there are wavelength and frequency calculators that do what it is asking of me.
ReplyDeleteTalk about a desperate loser...
Joe,
ReplyDeleteTimothy Horton is just playing his homosexual fantasy game with you. Don't let him.
All Timmy can do is play games. It sure as heck doesn't grasp science.
ReplyDeleteMapou: "
ReplyDeleteTimothy Horton is just playing his homosexual fantasy game with you. Don't let him."
Yup. No obsession with homosexuals from Louis. Move along. Nothing to see here.
You two can't fool me. I know that both of you are closet gays. You can't fake your writing styles.
ReplyDeleteCornelius must just love what Mapoo and Chubs bring to the ID-Creationism intellectual table. :D
ReplyDeleteCalling for your mommy again, Timothy?
ReplyDeleteahahaha...AHAHAHA...ahahaha...
The only reason that the two of you are here is that you are two Christophobic atheist homosexuals with a bone to pick against Christianity. This is your main obsession.
ReplyDeleteahahaha...AHAHAHA...ahahaha...
ghostrider: If you C&P more homework from your undergrad EE classes all the girls will know you're a fart smella, er, smart fella
ReplyDeleteHey ghostrider, since I'm a bass player and a sax player I totally made up the problem.
Now I'm going to give you a little more science, to overcome your bias against science on this thread. See a taut string is a transmission line. Transmission lines are fun to play with and are characterized with what are called distributed parameters, and modeled as partial differential equations, with boundary conditions dependent on the endpoint behavior (say whether or not there is damping there, or whether the endpoint is fixed or has lateral freedom). But if the string is carefully excited in certain ways it can be modeled as having lumped parameters like in what you study in basic electric circuits and so can be described by ordinary differential equations of any order, which is the amazing thing, just on the basis the excitation spectral makeup. The excitation is the input and the sound is the output.
I'm going to give you the rest of the tutorial, but I have a reminder: Since you are all about the natural sciences what course in the colleges of natural sciences would possibly have the string problem on a test? I asked you before don't you know what undergraduate course would have it?
LOL! The baby engineer is so funny trying to impress the adults. You must have non-existent social skills.
DeleteWell it beats your strategy of drooling and soiling yourself....
DeleteCornelius must just love what Mapoo and Chubs bring to the ID-Creationism intellectual table.
ReplyDeleteBut "ID-Creationism" exists only in the minds of the willfully ignorant...
Mapou: "The only reason that the two of you are here is that you are two Christophobic atheist homosexuals with a bone to pick against Christianity. This is your main obsession."
ReplyDeleteAgain with the homosexual obsession.
Even if GR and I were gay, how does that advance your argument? Maybe I am missing something here.
The argument has been advanced. The homo bit is to show that you are deranged and deviant and that is why you cannot address it or understand it.
ReplyDeleteGhostrider, it is sad when the two people who display the most "Christian" character (Nic excluded) are the two atheists. Doesn't say much for Cornelius.
ReplyDeleteA homosexual man is the God-father of my youngest. So much for William's BS.
ReplyDeleteAnd guess what? I only spew "obscenities" when needlessly and ignorantly attacked by cowards who cannot support the claims of their position.
It's as if you are totally retarded.
Ghostrider, it is sad when the two people who display the most "Christian" character (Nic excluded) are the two atheists.
ReplyDeleteBWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA- you two are the problem. If it wasn't for your continued ignorant attacks this blog would be great.
Timmy:
ReplyDeleteI remember when Cornelius used to maintain Christian standards.
But then he decided to let you and WS post and all was lost
Joe: "A homosexual man is the God-father of my youngest. So much for William's BS."
ReplyDeleteAnd some of my best friends are black. I have heard this nonsense before.
You are nonsense. All you do is spew nonsense. That's your life and the main reason that you lie when you say that you display any christian character.
ReplyDeleteAnd some of my best friends are black.
ReplyDeleteI know you are lying because you don't have any friends...
LOL! The baby engineer is so funny trying to impress the adults.
ReplyDeleteHey ghostrider you asked me plenty of times in the past and I answered you, remember on Nyquist sampling? When you learned a little bit on that? (more of which I can help). So I know you can answer us here.
Now you must love the natural sciences but then maybe you disdain those of us on this board some with PhD's, for no reason, unless I read you wrong. Why not just go ahead and tell me what class that is that the bass guitar string problem would pop up.
You must have non-existent social skill
To the contrary, I've been very helpful and reasonable towards you, like I am with all my friends, which btw many of them I make on stage around a city in the top 10 metro in the country. I have provided you with some rudimentary info on estimators and Shannon and about transmission lines. You have benefited from my goodwill towards you and the young readers. BTW I made an incorrect statement about estimators on a previous thread if you want to go find it. Very important for the natural sciences
Remember too I asked you something on Nyquist sampling and you answered? So I know you can do it.
So what class for that word problem test?
LoL! You just can't buy a date, can you?
DeleteOh yeah, your ignorant spewage really adds to the discussion. Why do you even bother? You must have been beaten up a lot when you were a kid
DeleteDon't look now MSEE but I think Joe G is interested in meeting you, such a smart available man.
DeleteAnd more ignorant spewage from the master of ignorant spewage. You should seek psychological help, Timmy.
DeleteSee thing is ghostrider, young girls are not interested in gay male engineers so you can drop the young girls thing OK?
DeleteUh oh MSEE, now you'll never be rid of Joe's attention! I hope you like 'em roly-poly.
DeleteAnd Timmy TuTu's substance-free spewage continues....
DeleteYour black sock puppets don't count.
ReplyDeleteYou seem to be quick to criticize GR's and my comments,
ReplyDeleteMainly because they are nothing but ignorant spewage. Not because they actually make a valid point that needs to be addressed.
Joke: "You are nonsense. All you do is spew nonsense. That's your life and the main reason that you lie when you say that you display any christian character."
ReplyDeleteAre you suggesting that atheists cannot demonstrate Christian character? I hate to be the barer of bad news, but you are responding to one who is a better Christian than you. That must hurt.
LoL! What a moron- I am suggesting that you do not demonstrate christian character. BTW I am not a christian but you don't have any idea how to behave like one.
ReplyDeleteI hate to be the barer of bad news, but you are responding to one who is a better Christian than you.
ReplyDeleteWell I hate to be the BEARER of bad news but you are a proven liar and loser who can only ignorantly attack and never actually defend a position.
Once again we see the pattern. Everything Joe Gallien touches turns to crap. He just can't control his mouth or his need to be an attention whore.
ReplyDeleteBut I am intrigued. What faith do you have Joe? Muslim? Hindu? Buddhist? Scientology? What is it?
ReplyDeleteOnce again we see the pattern.
ReplyDeleteYes, the evos can't support their claims and have to ignorantly attack everyone who exposes their faith for the crap that it is
What faith do you have Joe? Muslim? Hindu? Buddhist? Scientology? What is it?
ReplyDeleteLoL! A Muslim is a person, Islam is the faith.
But anyway I am not religious and that is why evos are going to cry when I bring them to Court for having their agenda-driven nonsense passed off as science.
Everything Joe Gallien touches turns to crap.
ReplyDeleteLook just because I am exposing you as an ignoramus and a coward, that is no reason to get all touchy and throw a tantrum
It is just sad when someone suffers from serious psychological problems. We shouldn't be making fun of people like Joe and Louis. We should give them our sympathy, and support them in any way possible. It is not their fault.
ReplyDeleteJoe G
ReplyDeleteBut anyway I am not religious and that is why evos are going to cry when I bring them to Court for having their agenda-driven nonsense passed off as science.
Pity you didn't volunteer to represent ID at Kitzmiller vs. Dover. It would have been a riot watching your lard butt try to squeeze into the witness box.
It's truly pathetic watching two Christophobic atheist homosexuals giving morality lessons to a Christian (Cornelius) on his own blog. And then they frequent a Christophobic (with an overwhelming homosexual undercurrent) forum at antievolution.org where they use a homosexual epithet (Cornholio) to refer to the same Christian.
ReplyDeleteahahaha...AHAHAHA...ahahaha...
AMEN
ReplyDeleteJones was a incompetent judge/lawyer for many reasons.
Indeed probably with a agenda to censor creationism just because he said it was not true and to say creationists are bad people for trying to bring it into schools. Or rather trying to stop state censorship.
Another case is needed.
It should not be hard to defeat state censorship especially if religious concepts are bumped into.
Better layers please.
The old case of Scopes is very suspicious. I understand it was not to ban creationism but include evolutionism.
Anyways if the cases and movies about them are meant to persuade people then it must matter what people think.
So let the people vote these things in or out.
What are they afraid of?
LOSING!!
Hollywood had a anti christian agenda and so does the law associations and TIME.
They don't represent real americans in any way. they shouldn't be the boss.
AMEN
ReplyDeleteJones was a incompetent judge/lawyer for many reasons.
Indeed probably with a agenda to censor creationism just because he said it was not true and to say creationists are bad people for trying to bring it into schools. Or rather trying to stop state censorship.
Another case is needed.
It should not be hard to defeat state censorship especially if religious concepts are bumped into.
Better layers please.
The old case of Scopes is very suspicious. I understand it was not to ban creationism but include evolutionism.
Anyways if the cases and movies about them are meant to persuade people then it must matter what people think.
So let the people vote these things in or out.
What are they afraid of?
LOSING!!
Hollywood had a anti christian agenda and so does the law associations and TIME.
They don't represent real americans in any way. they shouldn't be the boss.
Excellent points, Robert.
ReplyDeleteDarwinists are indeed losing and they absolutely hate people like Dr. Stephen Meyer and Dr. James Tour who are not afraid to expose them as zealots of a secular religion. I love watching Darwinists squirm under the interrogation spotlight. Even the corrupt mainstream media cannot save them.
Unfortunately the legal team did a poor job of bringing out the truth. You should have been there. And the media was there to make sure the religious truth was suppressed.
ReplyDeleteThe media is pro abortion, divorce, and gay marriage. Is it any wonder they promote evolution to counter religious truth.
"The media is pro abortion, divorce, and gay marriage. Is it any wonder they promote evolution to counter religious truth."
Deleteoxymoron.
Where "religious truth" = any Creationist woo I feel like believing that day.
DeleteLoL! As opposed to the woo-woo you two morons are spewing. Neither of you would know the truth if it was sitting on your face.
DeletePeter W.: "counter religious truth."
DeleteWilliam: "oxymoron."
And exactly how do you know religious truths are an oxymoron?
What are the religious truths Wadeck was talking about?
DeleteWS:
ReplyDeleteIt is just sad when someone suffers from serious psychological problems.
And you do suffer from psychological problems. That much is clear from your posts.
We shouldn't be making fun of people like Joe and Louis.
LoL! Losers like you can't make fun of anyone.
You just don't know your place and that is funny.
Timmy:
ReplyDeletePity you didn't volunteer to represent ID at Kitzmiller vs. Dover.
I will have my own day in Court. And that you think that I am fat just proves that you are an ignoramus incapable of assessing the evidence.
But we knew that already.
Thanks to Timmy and WS for exposing their true, very non-christian, behaviour.
ReplyDeleteFunny that after giving each other kudos they show their true selves.
Nice own goals, losers.
Joe G
ReplyDeleteI will have my own day in Court. And that you think that I am fat just proves that you are an ignoramus incapable of assessing the evidence.
Sure you will chubs. That picture of you on the YEC website you were supporting had you well north of 300 bills. But maybe you dropped a few hundred pounds since then.
Tell us more about the evidence you'd provide during your "day in court" Chubs. What are you going to do, scream at the judge "YOUR SIDE HAS NO EVIDENCE!!" :D
ReplyDeleteTimmy tutu:
ReplyDeleteThat picture of you on the YEC website you were supporting had you well north of 300 bills.
Only an ignoramus would say such a thing and here you are.
Nice own goal, loser.
Timmy tutu:
ReplyDeleteTell us more about the evidence you'd provide during your "day in court"
You can read the transcript. You are too stupid to assess any scientific evidence. And you are too cowardly to try to support evolutionism.
Too bad you won't volunteer to help the evoTARDs. Your testimony would make my case for me.
Joe G
ReplyDeleteTell us more about the evidence you'd provide during your "day in court"
You can read the transcript.
How can there be a transcript when you haven't been to court yet Chubs? You're not very bright.
There will be a transcript Timmy TuTu. Please hold your breath and wait for it.
ReplyDeleteAnd too bad you won't be testifying. You could easily make my case for me.
I see Chubs. You have no evidence to present and are doing the usual IDiot shuffle again.
ReplyDeleteLoL! The evidence I will present is already on my blog. I will start with the genetic code and watch the evoTARDs squirm because they have nothing to explain it. I will bring up the 10 million dollar challenge that will still be available because evoTARDs don't have a clue as to how to test the claims of their position.
ReplyDeleteKen Miller will get caught lying- that will be worth everything. Evos will have to admit that theirs is not science because it cannot be tested.
But anyway you have nothing but your ignorant spewage and all you do is the imbecile shuffle.
Again too bad you won't be testifying...
I love how Timmy TuTu gets all upset because his position is unscientific and unsupportable gibberish.
ReplyDeleteLOL! Poor Joe has no evidence for ID-Creationism, just the same hot gas he's been belching for years. :D
ReplyDeleteI hope you tell the judge "post-ID research doesn’t have anything to do with ID." :D
Well ID-Creationism still exists only in the minds of the willfully ignorant. So that would be the reason.
ReplyDeleteID research = detecting and studying design in nature
post-ID research is not about that at all.
It's as if Timmy TuTu thinks that OoL research and evolutionary research are the same thing.
Again too bad you won't be testifying. I would love to see your meltdown in front of a judge.
And how would you know whether or not ID has any supporting evidence? You are too stupid to assess evidence and you sure as hell cannot produce any that supports your position.
ReplyDeleteSo perhaps you should stop using words that you clearly don't understand.
Timmy TuTu?
ReplyDeleteTimothy Horton wears a tutu?
ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahaha...
ReplyDeleteWilliam: "And some of my best friends are black."
Joe G: "I know you are lying because you don't have any friends..."
Not true, he has me.
As far as we know you are one of his sock-puppets. :)
ReplyDeleteDo you know him personally? Or just from the internet? If it is just from the internet then it doesn't count.
Joe G,
ReplyDelete"If it is just from the internet then it doesn't count."
Thanks, Joe. I wasn't aware you set the parameters for defining friendship. I'll keep that in mind for the future.
ghostrider: uneducated laymen [here] have zero understanding of the subject. To the professional scientific community the claims [discussed here] really are just silly rhetoric.
ReplyDeletePoor baby engineer. So much ignorance, so little time. Look at me I'M AN ENGINEER
OK let's go back a few years when ghostrider was trying to throw some enginering prowess at yours truly and get shown his own ignorance: http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2010/08/gene-myth-part-i-addendum.html
You claim to be an EE - how often do you need to sample an analog voice signal to recreate it with enough fidelity to be understandable?
my answer: There is not a mathematical definition of the condition you propose
Well duh since there is no mathematical definition of enough fidelity to be understandable?
so then ghostrider goes: LOL! In other words you don't have any understanding of sampling theory or Nyquist frequency either. I guess you never read that big statistics book you were crowing about. ....I asked about the practical limits of the digitization rate to reproduce human voice just to see if you understood the issues with digital sampling of analog signals. It's obvious you don't.
Poor guy doesn't know that function sampling is not statistical and so is not covered in a statistics book. It is demostrated purely through analysis using the Fourier transform.
And so I answer: You can significantly undersample an analog voice signal and it will have more and more unpleasant screeching distortion from aliasing, that is, overlaping of the spectral image aliases into audio range. But THERE IS NO MATHEMATICAL DETERMINATION OF HOW MUCH UNDERSAMPLING CAN BE TOLERATED BY HUMAN HEARING before understanding of language is impacted.
then later ghostrider says High quality DVDs use a 24-bit A/D and run at a sampling rate of 192KHz. When a recording is made and played back with the matching 24 bit D/A (and a good amp and speakers), the results are virtually indistinguishable from a live singer. Lots of samples = better fidelity.
The problem with this is it is wrong. DVD audio is recorded at 48 or 96 Ksps and 16 or 24 bit resolution and it is played back at 192 Ksps @24 bits. I made an error here thinking he was referring to CD standard and not DVD's, but he got the recorded sample rate incorrect, and "fidelity" is not a scientific/engineering term and he is trying to throw around a little scientific and engineering "prowess"
Now ghostrider: LOL! Yes MSEE it's really that obvious. You fancy yourself a "highly trained engineer", but you're too dense to understand the most basic things about sampling theory.
.... I notice you cowardly ignored the question about how the Gallup poll can get accurate statistics by sampling just a few tenths of a percent of the whole population. I guess that big statistics book on your table is beyond you after all.
See problem is ghostrider is confusing statistical sampling with sampled time functions. A statistical sample is a SET of data points. A time function sample IS a data point. They are entirely non-equivalent. One is handled by statistical methods, the other is handled analytically.
The funniest part is you have no clue as to how immature and desperate you look.
DeleteYes it is funny that Timmy TuTu has no clue as to how immature and desperate it looks.
DeleteJoe if you want to ask MSEE for a date just go for it. No need to be so coy.
DeleteAnd Timmy TuTu's substance-free spewage continues....
Deleteghostrider: uneducated laymen [here] have zero understanding....
ReplyDeleteIf you don't hang out together, and never have, then yours is not a friendship.
ReplyDeleteSo you don't know him personally and for all you know he could be a psycho-killer. Some friendship, Nic...
But hey, if you want to be friends with a known liar and loser, that is totally up to you. I bet you think the girls that you talk to on those 1-900 numbers are you girlfriends...
ReplyDeleteJoe G,
ReplyDelete"If you don't hang out together, and never have, then yours is not a friendship."
Like I said, I am now aware your the arbiter of friendships. I'll act accordingly in the future.
"I bet you think the girls that you talk to on those 1-900 numbers are you girlfriends..."
You really are a gutter rat, aren't you?
Nic, the spineless Christian:
ReplyDeleteYou really are a gutter rat, aren't you?
At least, he has a spine. More than I can say for the spineless maggots who comment here.
ahahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...
Yup, Mapou and Joe should do well when they go to court. Repeat after me, "contempt of court". But they will be able to get three meals a day and have regular sex in jail.
ReplyDeleteToo bad WS won't be testifying- it is too stupid to form a coherent argument
ReplyDeleteNic, I apologize for stepping on your dreams...
ReplyDeleteWe all apologize for stepping on your dream Joe - that someday you'll be seen as more than an ignorant YEC internet-tough-guy clown.
ReplyDeleteLoL! Timmy you are too tiny to step on anything. And your ignorance is already legendary, as are your puss antics.
ReplyDeleteToo bad you won't be testifying
Big fat puss Joe G. You'll never live down that time you were running your mouth and threatening to beat up people. Someone called your bluff and you gave an address of where you could be found "any time". Only the address you gave was in a vacant lot 50 miles from your real address.
ReplyDeleteWe laughed about that one for months!
LoL! More drivel from the drivel master. I am more than willing to take on any of you, Timmy. But only a moron would think I would invite losers like you over to my house.
ReplyDeleteConvenient parking lots do fine- but then again you have always pissed and soiled yourself whenever someone asked you to step outside...
LOL! Joe G, big fat internet tough guy. :D
ReplyDeleteTest
ReplyDeleteJoe, you keep indulging evotard Timothy Horton in his homosexual fantasy game. Getting emotionally personal with a heterosexual male is one of the things they crave. I see it all the time in my business partner and my next-door neighbor. You simply have to put a stop to it.
ReplyDeleteDarwinism is in its death throes. Good riddance!
ReplyDeleteOK, evolution is dead again, 5735th time.
DeleteWhat do you propose we replace it with that explains the deep time fossil and genetic evidence better?
ID is not anti-evolution. Obviously Timmy TuTu has a willful ignorance problem.
DeleteEvolutionism cannot explain the fossil record nor the genetic evidence.
Hey Chubs, science quiz. How old is the Earth?
Deletea) 4.54 billion years
b) 6000 years but it's made from 4.5 billion year old material
c) YOUR SIDE HAS NO EVIDENCE!!
No one knows how old the earth is. To determine the age of the earth you have to know HOW it was formed.
DeleteNot that a simpleton like you could understand that.
Answer A requires the proto-earth to be so hot that no crystals from the accretion debris survived. Not that you could understand that either
Fat Joke
DeleteNo one knows how old the earth is. To determine the age of the earth you have to know HOW it was formed.
Funny then that every geologist and physicist on the planet knows how old the Earth is. But Chubby Joe missed that day in school.
LoL! Another prediction fulfilled. Timmy TuTu is too stupid to understand simple explanations.
DeleteScience quiz 2 Joke. How long were dinosaurs on the Earth?
Deletea) 135 million years from the Triassic (231 MYA) to the end of the Cretaceous (66 MYA)
b) 1500 years from Creation to Noah's Flood
c) YOUR SIDE HAS NO EVIDENCE!!
Science quiz for Timmy TuTu:
DeleteHow can we test the claim that ATP synthase arose via natural selection, drift or any other stochastic process?
The same goes for any biological system or subsystem.
What does unguided evolution predict?
Evotard Timothy Horton's mission has nothing to do with science. It has to do with his malignant Christophobia. And he hates and fears Christianity because he sees them as a threat to his homosexuality. Indeed, his militant atheism is driven by his homosexuality. This is why he worships dirt.
Deleteahahaha...AHAHAHA...ahahaha...
Yes, that is all true. But I still love exposing it as a cowardly liar and troll.
Deleteghostrider,
Delete"Funny then that every geologist and physicist on the planet knows how old the Earth is."
Two points must be mentioned here.
1. No one KNOWS how old the Earth is, they simply hold an opinion as to how old it is.
2. Not all geologists and physicists think the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. And please, do not say all the ones who count do.
ghostrider,
Delete"What do you propose we replace it with that explains the deep time fossil and genetic evidence better?"
If a hypothesis fails to explain an observation you do not adhere to that hypothesis due simply to the present lack of a better explanation.
The fat joke fails science quiz 1 and 2
DeleteScience quiz 3: When did the first multi-celled life appear on the earth?
a) at least 2.1 billion years ago, possibly earlier
b) 6000 years ago
c) YOUR SIDE HAS NO EVIDENCE!!
Joe's not doing too good on the science. Anyone want to help him?
Nic
Delete1. No one KNOWS how old the Earth is, they simply hold an opinion as to how old it is.
Sorry Nic, the 4.5 BY age of the Earth has been confirmed by enough evidence it is considered factual by science. That some dimbulb YECs don't accept the fact isn't science's problem.
Do you have any evidence that establishes a numerical age for Earth other than 4.5 BY?
If a hypothesis fails to explain an observation you do not adhere to that hypothesis due simply to the present lack of a better explanation.
You ignored the question. If ToE is wrong what should we replace it with?
Well, Mapou and Joe are certainly elevating the intellectual tone of this discussion. I especially like the homosexual tangent that Mapou has been on lately. It certainly adds to his credibility.
DeleteI wonder what MSEE thinks of his YEC buddies' rampant homophobia?
DeleteFor the record, I strongly support equal rights in all areas for LGBT citizens. I actively campaign against these disgusting "religious freedom" efforts which would allow religious bigots to ignore anti-discrimination laws.
"Darwinism is in its death throes. Good riddance!"
ReplyDeleteI must have missed the headlines. Remind me again, how many schools are teaching ID in the science class?
What are they teaching wrt evolutionism? There isn't any science that supports it and its claims cannot be scientifically tested.
DeleteYou can always count on Chubby Joe to act the attention whore every time someone posts.
DeleteLoL! Nice projection, Timmy TuTu, biggest attention whoe on the internet
DeleteYou can always count on Chubby Joe to act the attention whore every time someone posts.
DeleteProjector boy, Timmy TuTu, strikes again
DeleteYou can always count on Chubby Joe to act the attention whore every time someone posts.
DeleteYou can always count on attention whoe Timmy TuTu to post substance-free drivel
DeleteYou can always count on Chubby Joe to act the attention whore every time someone posts
DeleteBoth Timmy and WS are bully- wannabe's. I am here to stop them from doing so. However they have already proven to be willfully ignorant cowards.
ReplyDeleteWhat are you going to do Chubs? Sit on us and squash us?
ReplyDeleteI will just keep exposing you as the ignorant cowards that you are. That seems to be working just fine.
ReplyDeleteIn other words you'll just run your mouth and make impotent "internet-tough-guy" threats. Same as you've been doing for the last 15 years.
ReplyDeleteLoL! Whatever Timmy. You are a known liar and loser. You couldn't support the claims of your position if your life depended on it.
ReplyDeleteToo bad you won't be testifying. You could make my case for me.
What is your positive case for ID-Creationism Chubs? You haven't made one, ever.
ReplyDeleteLoL! You are a willfully ignorant troll, Timmy TuTu. And ID-Creationism exist only in the minds of the willfully ignorant.
ReplyDeleteThat said, I and many others, have made a positive case for ID. OTOH no one has ever made a positive case for unguided evolution. Heck Darwin said that to falsify his claims one has to prove a negative.
Life, the genetic code, the laws that govern the universe, biological systems and subsystems- all are evidence for ID and your position doesn't have anything to explain them.
You are a loser
As expected, the fat joke can't provide any positive evidence for his ID-Creationist claims. I wonder what he plans to offer in his fantasized court case? Probably call the judge a homo and threaten to beat him up during a recess.
ReplyDeleteghostrider: LOL! Yes MSEE it's really that obvious. You fancy yourself a "highly trained engineer", but you're too dense to understand the most basic things about sampling theory.
ReplyDelete.... I notice you cowardly ignored the question about how the Gallup poll can get accurate statistics by sampling just a few tenths of a percent of the whole population. I guess that big statistics book on your table is beyond you after all.
MSEE: See problem is ghostrider is confusing statistical sampling with sampled time functions. A statistical sample is a SET of data points. A time function sample IS a data point. They are entirely non-equivalent. One is handled by statistical methods, the other is handled analytically.
ghostrider: uneducated laymen [here] have zero understanding....
So ghostrider - point out the problem in my understanding (supposedly zero) of statistical sampling vis a vis discrete time sampling. Do it. It should be easy for you. All your young associates with the high fives and everything, you can't pass it up.
Guys: Are you as entertained as I am? It really is fun having ghostrider around. And I enjoy the thought of his young friends watching his performance here, that is to say his intellectual and emotional crackup.
Hey MSEE, how do you like the blatant homophobia of Louis and Joe? Does it make you proud to be associated with them? YEC belief and homophobic bigotry go hand in hand with Fundy Christians.
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