tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post8434014553876095604..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Discovery Institute Summer SeminarsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-49485825753172613512016-04-04T09:19:23.603-07:002016-04-04T09:19:23.603-07:00Dirt worshipper:
And how is your God any differen...Dirt worshipper:<br /><br /><i>And how is your God any different? Your God required the killing of gays and adulterers. He killed the first born of Egypt, many of them infants. He ordered the rape of women. <br /><br />It seems to me that your God fits perfectly in that lot.</i><br /><br />It is no secret that almost all atheists and Darwinists used to be Christians who revolted against the Biblical God because of what they perceive to be injustice on the part of God. They do so for essentially two reasons. First, they assume that their righteousness is superior to God's. (That, in itself, is a sin.) Second, they commit the same idolatry as fundamentalist Christians: they worship a book instead of worshipping God. Yet, one of the books within the Book tells them that they should test all things, which includes everything within the Book itself. IOW, parts of the Book could be wrong. Maybe parts of the Book came from men and not from God.<br /><br />In God's eye, all sins, even the smallest ones, are worthy of death. It is like the saying goes: "if you steal an egg, you will steal a cow." The master himself said that, if you have been unfaithful in the smallest of the commandments, it is as if you had been unfaithful in the greatest one.<br /><br />God knows that sin eventually leads to self-annihilation. Unless there is full righteousness, things deteriorates steadily until it gets to the point of catastrophic extinction. We see this happening in the world right now, as I write. The world is on a fast track toward total suicidal disaster. And the pace is accelerating.<br /><br />Under karmic laws, all humans should be destroyed because they are defective. We were born defective. It is the nature of our souls. Not one of us deserve to live. Every sin is worthy of death. Luckily for us, Yahweh fell madly in love with the human species and he paid the price for our sins. He will not allow us to perish. But first, we need to be taught a lesson.<br /><br />Yahweh is extremely powerful though, and he will bring back all the souls who have lived and died, even the firstborn of Egypt. Even Hitler and Genghis Khan. Even the Islamic state murderers. Even dirt worshippers. LOL! Everybody will be given a chance to gain eternal life.<br /><br />Just saying. Take it or leave it.Rebel Sciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11762287159937757216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-72989410332685150712016-04-04T09:13:10.722-07:002016-04-04T09:13:10.722-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rebel Sciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11762287159937757216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-20546051092562994932016-04-04T03:39:04.731-07:002016-04-04T03:39:04.731-07:00Mapou: "Based on my research, I've conclu...Mapou: "<i>Based on my research, I've concluded that almost all the other Gods are a bunch of lying, bloodthirsty jerks. Some even required regular human and even infant sacrifices."</i><br /><br />And how is your God any different? Your God required the killing of gays and adulterers. He killed the first born of Egypt, many of them infants. He ordered the rape of women. <br /><br />It seems to me that your God fits perfectly in that lot. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-79258532412578514322016-04-04T02:45:13.035-07:002016-04-04T02:45:13.035-07:00Nic, I appreciate the effort, but it is obviously ...Nic, I appreciate the effort, but it is obviously not Cornelius' goal to encourage intelligent and rational discourse. He will not think twice to delete a comment from an ID critic that he deems rude but if you are an ID supporter, you are encouraged to be as rude to those who oppose you as you can. <br /><br />Frankly, Mapou does far more damage to Cornelius' viewpoints than he does to mine. Any rational person can see this. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-81602386646572893252016-04-03T07:49:46.388-07:002016-04-03T07:49:46.388-07:00Dr. Hunter,
"Although Louis uses a little le...Dr. Hunter,<br /><br />"Although Louis uses a little less tact than I would use, I believe that he is fundamentally correct."<br /><br />Would it be too much to expect Louis to practice a few other fundamentals, such as courtesy, respect and decency when interacting with others on this blog? The man is singularly uncouth and nasty to anyone to whom he takes a dislike, regardless of their position on the subject at hand.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-84131366307615987242016-04-02T19:42:54.468-07:002016-04-02T19:42:54.468-07:00ohandy1,
The conversation between us has come to ...ohandy1,<br /><br />The conversation between us has come to an end, AFAIC. See you around.Rebel Sciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11762287159937757216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-52830324814504758432016-04-02T18:54:25.239-07:002016-04-02T18:54:25.239-07:00Based on my research, I've concluded that almo...Based on my research, I've concluded that almost all the other Gods are a bunch of lying, bloodthirsty jerks. Some even required regular human and even infant sacrifices. We have historical and archaeological evidence for this among ancient Aztec, Mayan, Incan, Babylonian and other societies.<br /><br />Yahweh considers himself the first and the last Overlord. All the other Gods came after Yahweh. Spirits belong to families. According to the scriptures, humans, too, are part of the God (Elohim) family. However, we are the only ones among the Gods to have mortal bodies made of ordinary matter.<br /><br />Apparently, (although I could be wrong about this) there are other creatures (e.g., angels) that are not part of the Elohim family. The angels pledged allegiance to Yahweh a long time ago but one third of them rebelled under the leadership of Lucifer (Morning Star). They will be eliminated when their time comes.<br /><br />Don't think for a second that the Gods are far away. Many of them are right here and are heavily influencing human affairs. Most of the wars and criminal behavior on earth are instigated by them. Every once in a while they raise up especially disruptive military or religious leaders among humans to accomplish their major goals. They love war, deception and they enjoy playing God with us.<br /><br />My understanding of prophecy is that Yahweh will soon bring all of that to an end but not before it gets really ugly. Get ready to live in very interesting times.Rebel Sciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11762287159937757216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-87523652708030829702016-04-02T15:35:33.306-07:002016-04-02T15:35:33.306-07:00William
I don't place a lot of stock in the p...William<br /><br />I don't place a lot of stock in the peer review process, it's as corrupt as any political entity. Never-the-less there are quite a few at the DI website. <br /><br />I never got the impression Dr. Hunter ever intended to do more than offer critical review of claims by evolutionists. I'd reckon he does that very well. It's hard to fathom how anyone teaches evolutionary theory with a straight face given the contradictions. But with enough faith I'd guess... ohandy1https://www.blogger.com/profile/07374693723371788011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-76590478782547952832016-04-02T15:35:29.100-07:002016-04-02T15:35:29.100-07:00Louis: "The whole point of commenting on the...Louis: "The whole point of commenting on the net is to draw some attention, no?"<br /><br />That may be true but in a wide range of degree. Where you are completely wrong is the idea that attention is only desired for attention's sake. That's the motive of a troll. Attention is merely a necessary component of conversation.<br /><br />Yin/Yang isn't an accurate description of our universe. Evil exists as the absence of Good just as darkness is the absence of light. Darkness is not required to create light and evil isn't required for good to exist. <br /><br />I'm not trolling you; I'm conversing. Not that I expect it will be a profitable one.ohandy1https://www.blogger.com/profile/07374693723371788011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-85569478604758127842016-04-02T14:30:04.505-07:002016-04-02T14:30:04.505-07:00Louis,
Thanks again for sharing your beliefs! Wh...Louis,<br /><br />Thanks again for sharing your beliefs! What about other religions? You mentioned in an earlier post about other gods - Yahweh has chosen Israel, but what about other nations. Some of your thoughts almost sound slightly Buddhist. But OTOH you think sins have to be paid for, so do you think Christianity (or your version of how you practice) is the only path to eternal life? TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-24263827440989198702016-04-02T14:28:46.289-07:002016-04-02T14:28:46.289-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.ohandy1https://www.blogger.com/profile/07374693723371788011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-74259779867602917592016-04-02T14:06:17.206-07:002016-04-02T14:06:17.206-07:00William
I don't place a lot of stock in the p...William<br /><br />I don't place a lot of stock in the peer review process, it's as corrupt as any political entity. Never-the-less there are quite a few at the DI website. <br /><br />I never got the impression Dr. Hunter ever intended to do more than offer critical review of claims by evolutionists. I'd reckon he does that very well. It's hard to fathom how anyone teaches evolutionary theory with a straight face given the contradictions. But with enough faith I'd guess... ohandy1https://www.blogger.com/profile/07374693723371788011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-47178595457637272202016-04-02T10:08:54.567-07:002016-04-02T10:08:54.567-07:00Slittle87:
But what about salvation, heaven, hel...Slittle87: <br /><br /><i>But what about salvation, heaven, hell etc? Is there such a thing as being "saved" in your worldview. What happen to the non-believers in the afterlife?</i><br /><br />My understanding from studying the scriptures is that salvation is eternal life with the Gods. Nothing more. The souls who make it will be reborn into another body, a physical but immortal body made of a different kind of matter. This is what "born again" really means. If your body is made of ordinary matter, you are not born again, regardless of how many times you claim to be.<br /><br />Those who don't make it will simply go back to what they were before they were born: an unconscious entity. Death is only slightly different than sleep. In fact, unless we are dreaming during sleep, we are essentially dead. The soul reenters the brain when the brain wakes up.<br /><br />There are only two conditions that will lead to eternal life. Your sins must be paid for and you must believe. Nothing else is required. All the other crap that organized religions ask of you is just that, crap.<br /><br />Souls/spirits are neither alive nor conscious by themselves. And they can neither be created nor destroyed. They just are. Yahweh did not create our souls, only our bodies. Souls need a living physical body and a brain in order to be conscious. I am a card-carrying Dualist. I believe that consciousness requires both a spirit/soul and a brain.<br /><br />Just one man's opinion.Rebel Sciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11762287159937757216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-82259962805810512022016-04-02T09:23:54.498-07:002016-04-02T09:23:54.498-07:00Louis: "I will add that I am not a tradition...Louis: "I will add that I am not a traditional Christian who believes that the entire Bible is the inerrant word of God. "<br /><br />Thanks for sharing your beliefs, I'm always interested in what other people believe. Yes, I can see you are definitely not a traditional Christian. But what about salvation, heaven, hell etc? Is there such a thing as being "saved" in your worldview. What happen to the non-believers in the afterlife?TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-69191775687370860592016-04-02T06:18:51.487-07:002016-04-02T06:18:51.487-07:00"If you assembled a cell from its constituent..."If you assembled a cell from its constituent atoms, that would not be spontaneous."<br /><br />If I assembled a cell from raw materials, it would because the knowledge of what transformations of those raw materials would result in just the right genes, which would result in just the right proteins, which would result in just the right features were embedded in my material brain, that my body was adapted well enough to follow them though, etc. IOW, the assembly would actually occur because I would be well adapted for that purpose, which is the very property that cells exhibit. <br /><br />It's unclear how being well adapted from raw materials can itself be an explanation for being well adapted from raw materials. Nor has anyone observed a designer that is not well adapted for the purpose of designing thing. That includes having having a complex nervous system, etc. Again, you've merely pushed the problem up a level without improving it. Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11193595678064010528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-14471351092601771292016-04-02T05:22:36.114-07:002016-04-02T05:22:36.114-07:00Slittle87
"OK, one blog post out of a hundred...Slittle87<br />"OK, one blog post out of a hundred?"<br /><br />Actually there are far more. Cornelius has commented on Fat Bubble theory creator, Jack Szostak, Synthetic self-replicating Enzyme designer Gerald Joyce, Prebiotic Soup World designer Stanley Miller and even RNA World Proposal designer Francis Crick. All of these reseachers are known for developing intelligently designed origin of life experiments where they created universe world's in a lab, manipulated chemical and electricity for that spark to life etc. No one has never argued against chemicals, physics, etc are not needed to provide life as we know it, but only that it takes intelligence to manipulate them all to try. No one has yet been successful, but they ALL have definitely proven it thus far takes an intelligence to think, ponder, meditate and develop ideas, plans, schemes etc with goals in mind and physically use that intelligence to experiment to arrive at various outcomes. But even with their pityful failures, they still shows us that an intelligence is required to try. So far none of us have seen record of a dirt watching or observation experiments to arrive at the conclusion that nothing more than blind unguided forces and chemicals do anything on their own. In fact every single one of those people listed above along with countless other researchers have done is nothing more than to prove this text below as true:<br /><br />Genesis 2:7<br /><br />To me it would seem creating a living cell would be much simpler, but clearly every one of those experiments have only verified this text above, which by the way makes no attempt at providing a step by step how process to be duplicated by others. Thus far it has been interesting to watch many researchers try and applaud their hard work at trying. I love to watch and read about intelligent researchers manipulating things, because then I can grasp the concepts of practical application easier. The concept of things spontaneously happening for no apparent reason offers me nothing.<br /><br />Chaparral Earthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00618976919417073750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-89856867065160459232016-04-01T23:30:40.565-07:002016-04-01T23:30:40.565-07:00Mapou: "The greatest physicist of them all, S...Mapou: "<i>The greatest physicist of them all, Sir Isaac Newton, aka the "Father of modern physics", did all his groundbreaking research from the point of view that a superior intellect created the universe."</i><br /><br />And he was also a paranoid, vindictive jerk. What's your point?William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-73367292889615372692016-04-01T23:28:57.953-07:002016-04-01T23:28:57.953-07:00ohandy1: "Do you consider trying to falsify h...ohandy1: "<i>Do you consider trying to falsify hypotheses a contribution to science?"</i><br /><br />Of course. We are just asking for examples of peer-reviewed documents from all of those ID researches. Preferably in a journal that they are also not the editor. It seems to me that Hunter and others use research conducted by real scientists, drawing conclusions that the authors have not made.William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-53841731897581370942016-04-01T22:59:35.004-07:002016-04-01T22:59:35.004-07:00Slittle87:
Louis, thank you for your polite reply...Slittle87:<br /><br /><i>Louis, thank you for your polite reply.</i><br /><br />I'm polite when I choose to be. Just don't pull any evotard crap on me or I'll turn. LOL<br /><br /><i>You said "The combinatorial explosion is sufficient argument for ID." <br /><br />You've mentioned this before - what exactly do you mean by "combinatorial explosion" - is there any math to support it?</i><br /><br />Are you kidding me? It's the simple math of exponents. It simply posits that a search space increases exponentially with every new element. The space of a base-10 variable, for example, increases by a power of 10 for every new digit in the variable.<br /><br />If you have a DNA sequence of 500 base pairs, the search space is 2^500, an extremely huge space. Compare that space to the search space of the human genome with approximately 3 billion base pairs and you quickly realize that all evotards are dirt worshippers.<br /><br />But it gets worse. The above is true only if the search mechanism knows the size of the search space beforehand. In the case of evolution or OOL in a prebiotic soup, the size is unknown and is, as a result, infinite. <br /><br /><i>I know you call yourself a Christian, but your response almost sounds like you think the designers were some kind of extra-terrestrial entity? (e.g., your mention of powerful simulators they may have had).</i><br /><br />I carefully study the scriptures. All the Gods are extraterrestrials since they did not come from earth. And Yahweh is not the only God. There were many other Gods who came to earth thousands of years ago and were worshipped by different nations.<br /><br />My understanding is that the Gods looks at the nations of the world the way a man looks at a beautiful woman. They think we're hot.<br /><br />Yahweh chose Israel as his own. The Egyptians had their own Gods and so did the Babylonians and other nations. There was jealously among the Gods. But this does not mean that the ancient Gods were single individuals. Each nation had many Gods. The word used for God in Hebrew is plural (Elohim). Yahweh, too, is many Gods in one (Yahweh of hosts) but prefer to act as one God and spoke as ONE. As the scriptures put it, Yahweh is ONE, in the sense that Yin and Yang are ONE.<br /><br />I will add that I am not a traditional Christian who believes that the entire Bible is the inerrant word of God. That would be idolatry, IMO. I am certainly not a fundamentalist Christian who believes that God is infinitely knowledgeable and powerful. Heck, I believe that infinity is crackpottery.Rebel Sciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11762287159937757216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-73571908544881202782016-04-01T22:32:48.606-07:002016-04-01T22:32:48.606-07:00ohandy1:
Because you're an attention hound of...ohandy1:<br /><br /><i>Because you're an attention hound of course. An internet troll in the long tradition of trolls since the dawn of the chat room. You wish to provoke the one while reviling the other and sow discord.</i><br /><br />LOL<br /><br />Is this an example of pot, kettle and black? The whole point of commenting on the net is to draw some attention, no? What the hell is wrong with you? You're jealous or something?<br /><br /><i>But if you truly do believe in a created existence then you are more to be pitied than the evolutionists as you show contempt towards your creator by despising your opponents.</i><br /><br />As if the evotards do not show nothing but contempt toward their opponents. You think the creator loves his opponents? I hope that one day you come face to face with Satan or one of his demons and tell him that Jesus loves him and give him a kiss. LOL.<br /><br />I got news for you. We live in a Yin-Yang universe. It is impossible for there to be love without hate. The two are complementary.<br /><br />And stop trolling me, goddammit!Rebel Sciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11762287159937757216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-75964975100828742972016-04-01T22:05:16.578-07:002016-04-01T22:05:16.578-07:00"In that case, your opinion is important to m..."In that case, your opinion is important to me because of what again?"<br /><br />Because you're an attention hound of course. An internet troll in the long tradition of trolls since the dawn of the chat room. You wish to provoke the one while reviling the other and sow discord. <br /><br />But if you truly do believe in a created existence then you are more to be pitied than the evolutionists as you show contempt towards your creator by despising your opponents. <br /><br />ohandy1https://www.blogger.com/profile/07374693723371788011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-6408762019952362792016-04-01T20:59:14.569-07:002016-04-01T20:59:14.569-07:00Dirt worshipper:
Cornelius doesn't care if y...Dirt worshipper: <br /><br /><i>Cornelius doesn't care if you call people <b>shitheads</b> and <b>assholes</b></i><br /><br />I don't recall ever using those words on Cornelius's blog. Must be one of those Freudian slips, eh? Deep down, all dirt worshippers know what they are.<br /><br />ahahaha...AHAHAHA...ahahaha...Rebel Sciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11762287159937757216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-64210340686327127812016-04-01T20:32:32.689-07:002016-04-01T20:32:32.689-07:00can you show how empiricism and science (or at lea...<i>can you show how empiricism and science (or at least your version it) does this evaluation?</i><br /><br />Yes, sure. Here is a good place to start:<br /><br />https://sites.google.com/site/darwinspredictions/why-investigate-evolution-s-false-predictionsCornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-30105634336245989682016-04-01T20:23:28.021-07:002016-04-01T20:23:28.021-07:00Louis, thank you for your polite reply.
You said ...Louis, thank you for your polite reply.<br /><br />You said "The combinatorial explosion is sufficient argument for ID." <br /><br />You've mentioned this before - what exactly do you mean by "combinatorial explosion" - is there any math to support it? <br /><br />I know you call yourself a Christian, but your response almost sounds like you think the designers were some kind of extra-terrestrial entity? (e.g., your mention of powerful simulators they may have had). TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-37238608123099212092016-04-01T20:18:42.710-07:002016-04-01T20:18:42.710-07:00CH: "The reason evolutionists find the scient...CH: "The reason evolutionists find the scientific arguments "curious" is because they are rationalists. They are incapable of scientific, empirical, evaluation of their claim that the world arose spontaneously is a fact."<br /><br />Since evolutionists are apparently incapable of making this evaluation, can you show how empiricism and science (or at least your version it) does this evaluation? TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.com