tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post8385827181143040340..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Carbon Dioxide SensorsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger704125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-44201762521672691242010-10-06T05:15:10.235-07:002010-10-06T05:15:10.235-07:00Scott:
The question is, why did they go extinct?
...Scott:<br /><i>The question is, why did they go extinct?</i><br /><br />Perhaps they were no longer required. <br /><br /><i>You're the one claiming some designer was behind it all, so how does the designers involvement explain these extinctions?</i><br /><br />And you are claiming that no designer is required- yet you couldn't support that claim if your life depended on it.<br /><br />And again perhaps those designs were no longer needed.<br /><br />IOW they had fulfilled their purpose.<br /><br />Then there is discovery- as in we need something to discover and study.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-45378535230641655352010-10-06T05:12:05.895-07:002010-10-06T05:12:05.895-07:00Thortard:
how was that goal for the FLE front-loa...Thortard:<br /><i> how was that goal for the FLE front-loaded in the original designed genome?</i><br /><br />If we knew that we wouldn't need science.<br /><br /><i>How do you front-load a genome to specify which species will survive mass extinction events (i.e Chicxulub impactor) unless you know ahead of time what those events will be?</i><br /><br />You don't need to know that.<br /><br />You do realize that I could ask you millions of questrions pertaining to biology and physics that your position cannot answer.<br /><br />So why are you playing this childish game?Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-37245435479702256882010-10-06T05:00:23.704-07:002010-10-06T05:00:23.704-07:00That is front-loading.
Scott:
Joe, It's NOT f...<b>That is front-loading.</b><br /><br />Scott:<br /><i>Joe, It's NOT front loading an organism.</i><br /><br />It could be.<br /><br /><i>Exactly what is your position?</i><br /><br />That there are at least parts of the universe that were designed. <br /><br /><i>Apparently, it's so vague that is might not even fall under the theory of evolution, which does not extend to the big bang, stellar evolution, or abiogenesis.</i><br /><br />Umm your position is so freaking vague you can't even produce a testable hypothesis for it.<br /><br /><b>I bet they do support it.</b><br /><br /><i>So, rather than actually look for yourself, only to find out they do not, you'd rather bet they do? Not really surprised. <br /><br />www.evolutionnews.org/2010/01/intelligent_design_frontloadin030721.html </i><br /><br />There isn't anything in that essay which says that the DI does not accept FLE.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-1741624372938999972010-10-05T07:47:08.118-07:002010-10-05T07:47:08.118-07:00Joe wrote:
Ya see moron the species that died mad...Joe wrote: <br /><b>Ya see moron the species that died made room and paved the way for the species that lived.</b><br /><br />Of course they did, Joe. This is blatantly obvious that members of a species die. However, I'm referring to extinctions, Joe, not just deaths. The question is, why did they go extinct? <br /><br />You're the one claiming some designer was behind it all, so how does the designers involvement explain these extinctions?<br /><br />Deaths over time do not require a designer. In fact, some "program" running in the genome could have ensured that all species remained viable after diverging, in that their species were sustainable. <br /><br />In the absence of an extinction event, the loss of these species would have been unnecessary. And even then, the designer could have the foresight to produce organisms that could survive in a significantly wider range of conditions, such as those that occurred after an impact event.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11193595678064010528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-81297670190947346992010-10-05T07:36:39.533-07:002010-10-05T07:36:39.533-07:00Joe G said...
Ya see moron the species that d...<i>Joe G said...<br /><br /> Ya see moron the species that died made room and paved the way for the species that lived.</i><br /><br />So moron, how was that goal for the FLE front-loaded in the original designed genome?<br /><br />How do you front-load a genome to specify which species will survive mass extinction events (i.e Chicxulub impactor) unless you know ahead of time what those events will be?Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-195658824994160582010-10-05T07:19:36.382-07:002010-10-05T07:19:36.382-07:00Joe wrote:
That is front-loading.
Joe, It's...Joe wrote: <br /><br /><b>That is front-loading.</b><br /><br />Joe, It's NOT front loading an organism. That's fine tuning the universe to ensure some sort of life occurs, or setting some sort of deterministic conditions to ensure specific life occurs. <br /><br />Exactly what is your position? <br /><br />Apparently, it's so vague that is might not even fall under the theory of evolution, which does not extend to the big bang, stellar evolution, or abiogenesis.<br /><br /><b>I bet they do support it.</b><br /><br />So, rather than actually look for yourself, only to find out they do not, you'd rather bet they do? Not really surprised. <br /><br />www.evolutionnews.org/2010/01/intelligent_design_frontloadin030721.htmlScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11193595678064010528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-12556657149859934652010-10-05T07:03:22.207-07:002010-10-05T07:03:22.207-07:00Ya see moron the species that died made room and p...Ya see moron the species that died made room and paved the way for the species that lived.<br /><br />And I see that all you have is to lash out with your ignorance as opposed to actually providing a testable hypothesis for your position.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-45475003893345909992010-10-05T06:50:51.060-07:002010-10-05T06:50:51.060-07:00Joe wrote:
Yes I would understand how bacteria- ...Joe wrote: <br /><br /><b>Yes I would understand how bacteria- the bulk of that 25% would make it- as would insects and deep water fish, squid etc.<br /><br />However having birds, crocs and amphibians survive should cause oneto think just a little on what went on.</b><br /><br />which could just as easily be translated as… <br /><br /><i>Yes, I could understand if a majority of species that were supposedly designed were still around today. <br /><br />However, having over 98% of all species that were supposedly designed go extinct should cause one to think just a little on what when on. </i><br /><br />If a significant number of these supposedly designed species went extinct due to one or more extinction events, it would seem these events did occur and would have an impact on the designer's "program" as Thorton suggested.<br /><br />Otherwise, you'd have to claim that having over 98% of all species go extinct just must have been what the deigned wanted. (or that front-loading failed over 98% of the time)Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11193595678064010528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-7364095507772935452010-10-05T05:01:00.580-07:002010-10-05T05:01:00.580-07:00Scott:
One could retreat even further can claim th...Scott:<br /><i>One could retreat even further can claim that a designer specificity deigned the laws of physics in just the right way so that the the big bang would occur, in just the right way that planets and stars would form, in a way that just the right molecules would appear, which would combine in just the right way that simple organisms would appear, which would have just the right mechanism to evolved into the sort of biological complexity we observe today. <br /><br />As such, no front-loading would be necessary.</i><br /><br />That is front-loading.<br /><br /><i>Or you could just visit the Discovery Institute for another variant on ID, which clearly doesn't support front loading.</i><br /><br />I bet they do support it.<br /><br /><i>However, without any functional reason to front-loading over all the other possibilities, choosing front-loading is irrational.</i><br /><br />Seeing you cannot produce a testable hypothesis for position it appears choosing it is irrational.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-29463343848232497822010-10-05T04:58:13.830-07:002010-10-05T04:58:13.830-07:00throtard:
If a mass extinction event like the Chic...throtard:<br /><i>If a mass extinction event like the Chicxulub impactor wipes out 75% of all species on Earth, what percent of species made it through?</i><br /><br />Yes I would understand how bacteria- the bulk of that 25% would make it- as would insects and deep water fish, squid etc.<br /><br />However having birds, crocs and amphibians survive should cause oneto think just a little on what went on.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-8767916529974265352010-10-05T04:49:21.837-07:002010-10-05T04:49:21.837-07:00Scott:
And if a designer had the ability to front-...Scott:<br /><i>And if a designer had the ability to front-loaded the genome of an organism, then it could have have the ability to keep changing the genome, at points in the future.</i><br /><br />That is what a targeted search is for.<br /><br />This is what happens when evotards cannot support their position- they just make up shit about their opponents position...Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-62235737589606408032010-10-05T04:47:44.784-07:002010-10-05T04:47:44.784-07:00Still no testable hypotesis for their position.
W...Still no testable hypotesis for their position.<br /><br />What a bunch of intellectual cowars...Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-29202560597408420902010-10-04T09:39:03.959-07:002010-10-04T09:39:03.959-07:00Joe wrote;
Don't ya think it is just a bit s...Joe wrote; <br /><br /><b>Don't ya think it is just a bit strange that crocodiles made it through?</b><br /><br />Yet another transparent and disingenuous attempt to avoid the issue. <br /><br />Again, your demand for collaborating observations is clearly disproportionate to what you've provided. <br /><br />One could retreat even further can claim that a designer specificity deigned the laws of physics in just the right way so that the the big bang would occur, in just the right way that planets and stars would form, in a way that just the right molecules would appear, which would combine in just the right way that simple organisms would appear, which would have just the right mechanism to evolved into the sort of biological complexity we observe today. <br /><br />As such, no front-loading would be necessary. In addition, any so-called 'evidence' that supported front-loading could also support this same theory. <br /><br />And if a designer had the ability to front-loaded the genome of an organism, then it could have have the ability to keep changing the genome, at points in the future. For example, it could be that some advanced alien race that has existed for billions of years shows up in orbit every 7 million years and carefully makes minor adjustments as to ensure their changes looks natural. Or you could just visit the Discovery Institute for another variant on ID, which clearly doesn't support front loading. <br /><br />In fact there are many other logical possible scenarios which could have observations that would be indistinguishable from front-loading. <br /><br />However, without any functional reason to front-loading over all the other possibilities, choosing front-loading is irrational.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11193595678064010528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-39620457566819931752010-10-04T08:55:46.543-07:002010-10-04T08:55:46.543-07:00JoeTard said...
Crocodiles, birds, amphibians...<i>JoeTard said...<br /><br /> Crocodiles, birds, amphibians- all were around when the aklleged last event happened and all are around today.<br /><br /> Go figure...</i><br /><br />Wow. Now JoeTard can't even do simple math.<br /><br />If a mass extinction event like the Chicxulub impactor wipes out 75% of all species on Earth, what percent of species made it through?Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-76011525759032626662010-10-04T08:47:47.386-07:002010-10-04T08:47:47.386-07:00Crocodiles, birds, amphibians- all were around whe...Crocodiles, birds, amphibians- all were around when the aklleged last event happened and all are around today.<br /><br />Go figure...Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-7606969433356575152010-10-04T08:32:16.974-07:002010-10-04T08:32:16.974-07:00Scott,
Don't ya think it is just a bit strang...Scott,<br /><br />Don't ya think it is just a bit strange that crocodiles made it through?Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-33281461223423804392010-10-04T08:18:01.673-07:002010-10-04T08:18:01.673-07:00Joe wrote:
First you have to prove those events ...Joe wrote: <br /><br /><b>First you have to prove those events existed and then you would have to show the designer needed to know such a thing.</b><br /><br />First, you'd have to prove if a designer existed when the front loading supposedly occurred, how it knew the right information to front-load, what ability it used to to actually implement front-loading the information and that this designer actually decided to act on that knowledge and ability. Yet, you haven't remotely provided any of these details at all other than mere logical possibilities and vague predictions. <br /><br />Yet, for some reason, you reply that we haven't provided enough collaborative observations?<br /><br />We have multiple paths of observations that strongly collaborate the theory that the physical craters we've discovered were indeed meteor impacts. And we have models that show impacts of these magnitudes would have released 2 million times more energy than any man made explosive device ever detonated. The results would be similar to a nuclear winter, but with massive tsunamis, the ejection of sulfate aerosols in the upper atmosphere, etc.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11193595678064010528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-22001127449003245882010-10-04T06:44:19.137-07:002010-10-04T06:44:19.137-07:00BTW throtard it is hilarious watching you avoid pr...BTW throtard it is hilarious watching you avoid producing a testable hypothesis for your position.<br /><br />Thank you for demonstrating why the vast majority of people think your position is total nonsense.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-70821439552284991472010-10-04T06:43:10.446-07:002010-10-04T06:43:10.446-07:00thortard:
BTW JoeTard, it's also hilarious tha...thortard:<br /><i>BTW JoeTard, it's also hilarious that you are now denying the scientific fields of geology, paleontology, and radiometric dating by denying the existence of well documented mass extinctions (i.e Permian, late Cretaceous).</i><br /><br />Another false accusation!<br /><br />Go figure.<br /><br />Yes thortard it is obvious that you have the maturity level of a three year old but that does not help you make your case.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-3085427596982438612010-10-04T06:36:13.005-07:002010-10-04T06:36:13.005-07:00BTW JoeTard, it's also hilarious that you are ...BTW JoeTard, it's also hilarious that you are now denying the scientific fields of geology, paleontology, and radiometric dating by denying the existence of well documented mass extinctions (i.e Permian, late Cretaceous). Too funny!<br /><br />We know you have the maturity level of an eight year old, but can you do anything but bawl "NUH UH!!" to <b>every</b> area of scientific knowledge you don't understand?Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-81285269984103045792010-10-04T06:29:33.432-07:002010-10-04T06:29:33.432-07:00Most likely a rich diversity of living organisms s...<b>Most likely a rich diversity of living organisms starting from one or a few populations of single-celled organisms.</b><br /><br />thortard:<br /><i>So according to you, the "Designer' created the most simple life 3.3 billion years ago, then let it evolve with no specific targets in mind (like humans), undirected, over all that time.</i><br /><br />Only an ignorant moron would say something like that.<br /><br />I also said:<br /><br /><b>In a universe designed for scietific discovery it would need discovere3rs and discoverees. Duh.</b><br /><br />Are you too stupid to understand that?<br /><br />Yes obviously you are- shit it was the next sentence after the one you quote-mined.<br /><br /><i>Congratulations JoeTard, you just discovered theistic evolution.</i><br /><br />Nope TE says "God" had us in mind.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-88294377373240103132010-10-04T06:26:11.219-07:002010-10-04T06:26:11.219-07:00JoeTard said...
T: What was the target/goal of F...<i>JoeTard said...<br /><br />T: What was the target/goal of FLE?<br /><br />Most likely a rich diversity of living organisms starting from one or a few populations of single-celled organisms.</i><br /><br />So according to you, the "Designer' created the most simple life 3.3 billion years ago, then let it evolve with no specific targets in mind (like humans), undirected, over all that time. <br /><br />Congratulations JoeTard, you just discovered <b>theistic evolution.</b>Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-63195535579014042342010-10-04T06:24:55.568-07:002010-10-04T06:24:55.568-07:00Just as predicted-
thortard spews his evotardgasm...Just as predicted-<br /><br />thortard spews his evotardgasm!<br /><br />Too bad for thortard that I understand the theory of evolution better than it does- and that has been proven beyond any doubt.<br /><br />So now all it has is evotardgasms...<br /><br />Also it seems I am not running away from anything- IOW another false accusation to go along with its evotardgasm.<br /><br />And yes your continued false accusations and lies are boring but I will continue to expsoe you as a lying low-life at every opportunity.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-76115045819965820692010-10-04T06:12:35.658-07:002010-10-04T06:12:35.658-07:00Poor JoeTard Gallien the laid off toaster repairma...Poor JoeTard Gallien the laid off toaster repairman. Doesn't understand evolutionary theory, doesn't understand FLE, just back loads his pants and runs away every time his stupidity is questioned.<br /><br />He can rant and scream and fling his poo like the best Creationists though.<br /><br />Sorry JoeTard, your repetitive idiocy is <b>boring.</b>Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-47771603070950216082010-10-04T05:48:18.339-07:002010-10-04T05:48:18.339-07:00evotardgasms to follow...evotardgasms to follow...Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.com