tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post7149726126556909659..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: New Paper From Gareth Fraser’s Group Confirms Common AncestryUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-76704958036922730202017-08-15T06:39:31.955-07:002017-08-15T06:39:31.955-07:00PhillyMike: Sounds like an excellent argument for ...<b>PhillyMike</b>: <i>Sounds like an excellent argument for ID. </i><br /><br /><b>Shannon</b>: <i>We're not dealing with abstract!</i><br /><br />Sounds like an excellent argument for the mortality of Socrates. <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-57189625694430334602017-08-04T08:49:52.487-07:002017-08-04T08:49:52.487-07:00Shannon: You just denounced your own assertion!
...<b>Shannon</b>: <i>You just denounced your own assertion! </i><br /><br />Pointing out that { {if A then B} and B }, therefore B is consistent with A, does nothing to support any particular claim. Only by pointing to particulars can you demonstrate a particular claim, something PhillyMike failed to do. <br /> Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-55379138040589246232017-08-01T14:02:22.455-07:002017-08-01T14:02:22.455-07:00Zachriel: You just denounced your own assertion! ...Zachriel: You just denounced your own assertion! So hypothetico-deduction + X but really it's just abstract! We're not dealing with abstract!<br />Shannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18386692017207655312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-33211883574187873852017-07-17T11:15:33.204-07:002017-07-17T11:15:33.204-07:00Hi Sarah, and thanks for the note. Yes, I certainl...Hi Sarah, and thanks for the note. Yes, I certainly will take a look. Thanks!Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-10535894501548851332017-07-17T09:29:06.979-07:002017-07-17T09:29:06.979-07:00Dr. Hunter,
I pulled my copy of Darwin's God ...Dr. Hunter,<br /><br />I pulled my copy of Darwin's God out of storage recently, and I'm happy to find you have a blog.<br /><br />I know this is an incredibly long shot, but I'm a new author and aspiring apologist. I'm convinced, as you appear to be, that the best way to tackle darwinian evolution is from a bird's eye view--tackling the misconceptions/fallacies that occur at the outset and that proceed to drive the whole paradigm. <br /><br />As a millennial, I'm acutely aware of certain subtle, yet key misconceptions that I have not yet seen addressed by mainstream creationist/ID proponents. In my limited experience, debate is largely futile unless these misconceptions are directly addressed.<br /><br />Would you be willing to look over my work at www.thinkingwrinkle.com? <br /><br />Thank you,<br />S.P. CliftonSarah Providencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15451252612629743656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-49641323314307235422017-07-10T15:34:20.667-07:002017-07-10T15:34:20.667-07:00wee willie:
I am now $50 richer.
And clearly sti...wee willie:<br /><i> I am now $50 richer.</i><br /><br />And clearly still delusional<br />Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-20678840146263131292017-07-10T07:59:38.167-07:002017-07-10T07:59:38.167-07:00Joey: And speaking of knuckle-walkers...
Thank yo...Joey: <i>And speaking of knuckle-walkers...</i><br /><br />Thank you for that predictable response. I am now $50 richer.William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-51792621090520420542017-07-09T15:47:44.134-07:002017-07-09T15:47:44.134-07:00And speaking of knuckle-walkers...And speaking of knuckle-walkers...Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-72273350914959253912017-07-08T17:30:00.196-07:002017-07-08T17:30:00.196-07:00Sad.Sad.Pedanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12656298969231453877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-43867299052160689612017-07-06T11:12:29.238-07:002017-07-06T11:12:29.238-07:00Joey want a cracker?Joey want a cracker?William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-8116708432466873802017-07-05T17:18:04.756-07:002017-07-05T17:18:04.756-07:00Z:
Not mere similarity, but a family resemblance.
...Z:<br /><i>Not mere similarity, but a family resemblance.</i><br /><br />Does your family resemble knuckle-walkers? Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-31149784415227552532017-07-04T05:55:30.204-07:002017-07-04T05:55:30.204-07:00As P and Q are abstractions, and not concrete, it ...As P and Q are abstractions, and not concrete, it can't be an argument for any specific proposition. <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-19820812447343986262017-07-03T12:50:13.318-07:002017-07-03T12:50:13.318-07:00In science, if P implies Q, and given Q is true, t...In science, if P implies Q, and given Q is true, then Q supports (is consistent with) P. This is called hypothetico-deduction. The greater variety of different observations and methodologies Q that support P, the more confidence we have in our conclusion concerning P. <br /><br />Sounds like an excellent argument for ID. PhillyMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09048456402828838092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-77478666442837763852017-06-30T08:00:02.176-07:002017-06-30T08:00:02.176-07:00Cornelius Hunter: similarity proves evolution.
No...<b>Cornelius Hunter</b>: <i>similarity proves evolution.</i><br /><br />Not mere similarity, but a family resemblance. <br /><br /><b>Cornelius Hunter</b>: <i>If P implies Q, then Q implies P, right? </i><br /><br />No. In science, if P implies Q, and given Q is true, then Q supports (is consistent with) P. This is called hypothetico-deduction. The greater variety of different observations and methodologies Q that support P, the more confidence we have in our conclusion concerning P. <br /><br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-11722014196088198892017-06-01T18:16:06.406-07:002017-06-01T18:16:06.406-07:00Dr. Hunter, I've been trying for weeks to wrap...Dr. Hunter, I've been trying for weeks to wrap my head around the current state of directed mutation. I don't have a biology background (MBA and computer science) but I'm getting comfortable with the terms. What I'm having trouble with, is the current status of the whole directed mutation controversy. <br />foster, of Cairns and Foster, wrote at length that mutations are not directed. Reading the paper, it seems she is focused only on directed in the sense of targeting specific genes for change.<br />https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC451643/<br /><br />I'm also not sure how this study addresses the mutation rate issue. It seems to me that if a cell knows it has to adapt, and consequently increases mutation rates, then there is a self-diagnosis mechanism. Some way for a cell to "know" that it must adapt to survive. This defies evolution whether specific genes are targeted or not, cells can't "know" anything.<br /><br />Your post on protein evolution is related but I can't articulate how. If protein coding genes can't effectively find new function randomly, then some method of direction is implied. How would this be related to the Cairns et al paper, or is it?<br /><br />There are precious few places where science is allowed to be scientific. I hope you follow up on your directed mutation themes. Your style is unique and greatly appreciated.ohandy1https://www.blogger.com/profile/07374693723371788011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-30365066202633830282017-06-01T17:49:32.787-07:002017-06-01T17:49:32.787-07:00Excellent point in a important thread.
Yes they co...Excellent point in a important thread.<br />Yes they confirm bias.<br />Evolutionists are not held to scrunity because thier ideas to not affect health, or buildings, or moving things amongst mankind.<br />they , in tiny circles, can be sloppy.<br />Johnathan Well's new book also brings up this faulty reasoning.<br />Homology belongs to all mankind.<br />Likeness in biology is observable.<br />its the ORIGIN for why that is open to different hypothesis.<br />right now evolutionists, literally in textbooks, define homology as from common descent.<br />A great error in scientific classification. even if true its only a hypothesis. Homology only shows what it shows.<br />A creator, another option, would also likely buold biology on a common blueprint just like in physics.<br />Does likeness in physic laws prove common descent for those laws? No!<br /><br />Indeed evolutionism has no fuel except in comparisonology!<br />In fact there is no biological scientific evidence. its other subjects that they prop up evolutionism on.<br />Its falling before our eyes.<br />Sure it is.Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-35640038308373640302017-05-23T08:27:58.039-07:002017-05-23T08:27:58.039-07:00Joe G
"Until scientists can account for the a...Joe G<br />"Until scientists can account for the anatomical and physiological differences observed between alleged related species (like humans and chimps) common ancestry will remain an untestable and therefor unscientific concept. And to date no one has been able to link those differences to the genetic differences observed."<br /><br />This theory got a little ahead of itself :-)Bill Colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06642212549806694659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-19930975411629387042017-05-23T06:42:49.360-07:002017-05-23T06:42:49.360-07:00Until scientists can account for the anatomical an...Until scientists can account for the anatomical and physiological <b>differences</b> observed between alleged related species (like humans and chimps) common ancestry will remain an untestable and therefor unscientific concept. And to date no one has been able to link those differences to the genetic differences observed.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-76669044879570897872017-05-22T13:10:48.285-07:002017-05-22T13:10:48.285-07:00No, you are confusing two different things. While ...No, you are confusing two different things. While your interpretation (that the paper is inconsistent between its opening and later discussion) is interesting; what you are pointing out is actually their discussion of their new shark results, whereas the opening discusses epithelial appendages in previously studied species, which you would have known if you had "actually read the paper." You also would have known that, in spite of your creative reinterpretation, the paper was indeed "claiming [something] conclusive." What exactly is it about "Recent research has revealed shared ancestry" that you don't understand?<br /><br />But this is always the argument. When you simply point out what evolutionists have said, in no uncertain terms, they attempt to walk it back, and pin the blame on you: "It's all your fault, don't you see."Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-73541377574432761992017-05-22T09:05:28.936-07:002017-05-22T09:05:28.936-07:00"This, of course, is false. Similarity does n..."<i>This, of course, is false. Similarity does not prove evolution. This is the age-old fallacy of affirming the consequent. If P implies Q, then Q implies P, right?"</i><br /><br />Something like the similarity in biology to design is being used to affirm ID. Nice own goal. <br /><br />This OP is one of the best uses of the quote mine to misrepresent what others are saying that I have seen in a long time. You quote from the introduction of the paper, a sentence that is referencing another paper. If you bothered to actually read the paper you are quoting from you would have noticed that it was not claiming anything conclusive, only that their observations were evidence for common anscestry. <br /><br />Here is a quote from the paper that is far more representative of what the authors are saying. <br /><br />"<i>Overall, these findings suggest the core GRN for building vertebrate integumentary epithelial appendages has been highly conserved over 450 million years. This provides evidence for the continuous, historical homology of epithelial appendage placodes throughout jawed vertebrates, from sharks to mammals. Epithelial placodes constitute the shared foundation upon which diverse vertebrate integumentary organs have evolved."</i>William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.com