tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post69379232229256805..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: There Comes a TimeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-38448161522384333632015-05-23T21:26:30.570-07:002015-05-23T21:26:30.570-07:00Adapa...
"...your [work] is well known in web...Adapa...<br />"...your [work] is well known in web scientific discussion circles."<br /><br />I love it!!!!Glenn Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05974895763468680337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-26487854206878686062015-05-07T22:24:50.799-07:002015-05-07T22:24:50.799-07:00Still waiting for you to tell us what sort of prev...Still waiting for you to tell us what sort of previous research indicates that the vertebrate nervous system evolved to accommodate something (such as anatomical specializations for flight)? That would be very interesting to see.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-55499556614720018582015-05-07T21:47:37.678-07:002015-05-07T21:47:37.678-07:00That was becoming obvious, but Darwin's God al...That was becoming obvious, but Darwin's God always gives folks a fair chance.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-39501474116449457372015-05-07T20:51:56.975-07:002015-05-07T20:51:56.975-07:00Ignore Adapa. He's Thorton with a new face. ...Ignore Adapa. He's Thorton with a new face. Same-o, same-o.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15246115342112568778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-71881467151805324692015-05-07T16:37:05.113-07:002015-05-07T16:37:05.113-07:00Actually I used direct quotes from the paper.
You...<i>Actually I used direct quotes from the paper.</i><br /><br />You mean you quote-mined the paper then made the ridiculous claim it said:<br /><br />"entire nervous systems evolved in order to accommodate capabilities such as flight."<br /><br />Most people call that lying. <br /><br />That's OK Dr. Hunter. This is your website and if you think lying for your religion is a good thing then that's your call. Of course you'll get the respect from the real scientific community that you deserve and we both know how much that is.<br /><br />Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-59032605871105653672015-05-07T16:11:34.786-07:002015-05-07T16:11:34.786-07:00you purposely misrepresented what the paper says
...<i>you purposely misrepresented what the paper says</i><br /><br />Actually I used direct quotes from the paper.<br /><br /><i>lets his religious fervor lead him into such unprofessional and duplicitous conduct.</i><br /><br />How is it "religious fervor" and "duplicitous" to point out metaphysical claims in a paper that otherwise represents itself as science? The paper makes metaphysical claims that it does not back up, and cannot back up from science. And yet when I point that out you put the blame on me. You seem to be unable to detach yourself, and you resort to ad hominems and fallacious criticisms.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-78603329303114648462015-05-07T15:46:18.729-07:002015-05-07T15:46:18.729-07:00No, I call it a hack job because you purposely mis...No, I call it a hack job because you purposely misrepresented what the paper says and how the results fit in with all the other papers on adaptations to the vertebrate nervous system.<br /><br />Pity that someone with an advanced science degree now lets his religious fervor lead him into such unprofessional and duplicitous conduct. Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-42110865347885991242015-05-07T14:17:27.156-07:002015-05-07T14:17:27.156-07:00You call it a hack job not for any scientific reas...You call it a hack job not for any scientific reason (I merely pointed out the metaphysics) but because you believe the species arose spontaneously, so any criticism of that doctrine must be a "hack job."Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-28973290089588819142015-05-07T10:21:30.957-07:002015-05-07T10:21:30.957-07:00We knew the ad hominem lies were coming. It's ...<i>We knew the ad hominem lies were coming. It's just a matter of time.</i><br /><br />Sorry Dr. Hunter but your mangling and misrepresentation of actual biological research is well known in web scientific discussion circles. This hack job by you on the Moss paper is just the latest in a long sordid history of such disreputable behavior.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-19240128766780876652015-05-07T09:11:10.564-07:002015-05-07T09:11:10.564-07:00Translation from paid Creationist shill ...
We kn...<i>Translation from paid Creationist shill ...</i><br /><br />We knew the ad hominem lies were coming. It's just a matter of time.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-81214607194551483062015-05-07T08:17:05.141-07:002015-05-07T08:17:05.141-07:00There you go again, you Creationists, with your ni...There you go again, you Creationists, with your niminy-piminy pedantry ! For shame !Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157872703645656943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-77919115386385662302015-05-07T08:11:59.834-07:002015-05-07T08:11:59.834-07:00Absolutely, but their standards are so stratospher...Absolutely, but their standards are so stratospheric that they ignore the merely quotidian miracles.<br /><br />No need to be so picky, Cornelius. Remember always be kind, since everyone is carrying a heavy burden. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157872703645656943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-56522159471373696252015-05-07T08:09:02.580-07:002015-05-07T08:09:02.580-07:00On the contrary, the sequelae of the vacuity of th...On the contrary, the sequelae of the vacuity of the atheist premise absolutely brooks no reaction other than satire. It demands it. That Cornelius does it so ironically is ROFL material of a high order. It ridicules itself, so it's like getting blood out of a stone; which he does with consummate skill.<br /><br />Indeed, it does arguably defy ridicule, since the most flawless logic will ineluctably lead the atheist author to conclusions urgently necessitating a visit by the men in white coats in the yellow van with red wheels... being so riotously mad as to be 'not even wrong'.<br /><br />Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157872703645656943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-61674256948684572462015-05-07T07:57:19.384-07:002015-05-07T07:57:19.384-07:00Cornelius, you fergetted, '“Biology has done a...Cornelius, you fergetted, '“Biology has done an exquisite job in creating these animals ....' <br /><br />That's some God, that Biology ! A magic-making god of the most transcendental order. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157872703645656943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-18282387842512821652015-05-07T06:30:23.708-07:002015-05-07T06:30:23.708-07:00Translation from evolution-ese to English: “No.”
...<i>Translation from evolution-ese to English: “No.”</i><br /><br />Translation from paid Creationist shill to English: “No, I'm not interested in the actual science, just pushing Creationist propaganda."Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-70554113544178072362015-05-07T06:02:14.044-07:002015-05-07T06:02:14.044-07:00"The Third Way of Evolution" scientists ..."The Third Way of Evolution" scientists have at least stopped believing that "evolution" is a miracle worker:<br /><br />"...Neo-Darwinism, which is clearly naturalistic science but ignores much contemporary molecular evidence and invokes a set of unsupported assumptions about the accidental nature of hereditary variation. Neo-Darwinism ignores important rapid evolutionary processes such as symbiogenesis, horizontal DNA transfer, action of mobile DNA and epigenetic modifications. Moreover, some Neo-Darwinists have elevated Natural Selection into a unique creative force that solves all the difficult evolutionary problems without a real empirical basis."<br />(http://www.thethirdwayofevolution.com/)Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-14899659699124106302015-05-07T00:59:09.769-07:002015-05-07T00:59:09.769-07:00It merely showed one more example of how the exist...<i>It merely showed one more example of how the existing vertebrate nervous system could evolve specialized adaptations to assist specialized functions like Chiropteran flight.</i><br /><br />Actually the paper showed no such thing. The findings helped to reveal how the airflow sensors and nervous system are wired up to assist in the incredibly complex bat flight. The paper certainly did not show how these things could evolve, or how they could evolve “to assist” in anything.<br /><br /><br /><i>Science has plenty of other examples of vertebrate nervous system adaptations such as vibrissae (whiskers) on some mammalian species and infrared sensors on pit vipers.</i><br /><br />No, science has no such thing. You’re conflating metaphysics with science, as evolutionists often do. What *science* has are examples of nervous systems (period), “such as vibrissae (whiskers) on some mammalian species and infrared sensors on pit vipers.” But that’s science, not evolution.<br /><br /><br /><i>Me: Can you tell us what sort of previous research indicates that the vertebrate nervous system evolved to accommodate something (such as anatomical specializations for flight)?<br /><br />You: If you were seriously interested in the topic you'd read some of the several dozen other papers referenced in the Moss work.</i><br /><br />Translation from evolution-ese to English: “No.”Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-42621113892926045462015-05-06T19:33:20.660-07:002015-05-06T19:33:20.660-07:00I did read it.
If you did read the whole thing y...<i>I did read it. </i><br /><br />If you did read the whole thing you either didn't understand it or you're deliberately misrepresenting the work. Either way doesn't cast you in a very favorable light.<br /><br />The paper didn't say "entire nervous systems evolved in order to accommodate capabilities such as flight" as you claimed in your OP. It merely showed one more example of how the existing vertebrate nervous system could evolve specialized adaptations to assist specialized functions like Chiropteran flight. This is not anything new. Science has plenty of other examples of vertebrate nervous system adaptations such as vibrissae (whiskers) on some mammalian species and infrared sensors on pit vipers<br /><br /><i>Can you tell us what sort of previous research indicates that the vertebrate nervous system evolved to accommodate something (such as anatomical specializations for flight)?</i><br /><br />If you were seriously interested in the topic you'd read some of the several dozen other papers referenced in the Moss work. Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-26002400303964574722015-05-06T19:00:15.656-07:002015-05-06T19:00:15.656-07:00You may want to read it first before knee-jerk dis...<i>You may want to read it first before knee-jerk dismissing it.</i><br /><br />I did read it. <br /><br /><i>The conclusion that vertebrate nervous systems “have flexibly adapted to accommodate anatomical specializations for flight,” is drawn from both this work and from the other hundreds of scientific papers on vertebrate nervous systems.</i><br /><br />I didn't know that. Can you tell us what sort of previous research indicates that the vertebrate nervous system evolved to accommodate something (such as anatomical specializations for flight)?Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-57216137749774119882015-05-06T17:40:24.998-07:002015-05-06T17:40:24.998-07:00"sensors evolved in order to guide motor beha..."sensors evolved in order to guide motor behaviors"<br /><br />They mean control system evolved? No chance, control systems can only be engineered. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.facstaff.bucknell.edu/mastascu/econtrolhtml/Intro/Intro1.html" rel="nofollow">An Introduction To Control Systems</a>Eugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-5607761156518650742015-05-06T15:16:25.923-07:002015-05-06T15:16:25.923-07:00The paper that you are unprofessionally snarking o...The paper that you are unprofessionally snarking over is solid scientific research. The conclusion that vertebrate nervous systems “have flexibly adapted to accommodate anatomical specializations for flight,” is drawn from both this work and from the other hundreds of scientific papers on vertebrate nervous systems, many of which are referenced in the notes.<br /><br />The paper is open source. You may want to read it first before knee-jerk dismissing it.<br /><br /><br />Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-17130323007320993762015-05-06T13:04:39.820-07:002015-05-06T13:04:39.820-07:00What exactly is it about the claim that vertebrate...What exactly is it about the claim that vertebrate nervous systems “have flexibly adapted to accommodate anatomical specializations for flight,” that makes for "solid scientific research"?Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-41003881042276378272015-05-06T13:03:37.943-07:002015-05-06T13:03:37.943-07:00But apparently it does have goals: "to accomm...But apparently it does have goals: "to accommodate anatomical specializations for flight."Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-65094996611951711512015-05-06T13:02:50.355-07:002015-05-06T13:02:50.355-07:00What exactly is it about the claim that vertebrate...What exactly is it about the claim that vertebrate nervous systems “have flexibly adapted to accommodate anatomical specializations for flight,” that makes for "solid scientific research"?Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-30318261229822624832015-05-06T09:13:52.158-07:002015-05-06T09:13:52.158-07:00I guess when you have a process that has no goals ...I guess when you have a process that has no goals then every achievement deserves a trophy on the mantle. Beau Stoddardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03617924374387662273noreply@blogger.com