tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post6283114037602461162..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Horizontal Gene Transfer and the Evolution of Evolution: You Can’t Make This UpUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-63471812323352970852010-06-02T13:11:32.950-07:002010-06-02T13:11:32.950-07:00From Barry Starr's article on human chromsome ...From Barry Starr's article on human chromsome 2: <br /><br />"The difficulty with this idea is that there is no obvious advantage to having 46 chromosomes instead of 48."<br /><br />Why does there have to be an advantage to having 46 chromosomes over 48?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-20519489672580867912010-05-31T21:53:17.889-07:002010-05-31T21:53:17.889-07:00oleg:
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Cornelius, if you think that "a d...oleg:<br /><br />====<br />Cornelius, if you think that "a designer could fuse chromosomes that, too" is a clever retort, have I got a bridge to sell you. <br />====<br /><br />You lost me. What do I think?<br /><br />====<br />Your ID is a little side show for the conservative Christian base. Few scientists are paying attention. <br />====<br /><br />You lost me again. What is my ID again?Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-35925421060813793872010-05-31T19:21:52.683-07:002010-05-31T19:21:52.683-07:00Oleg,
Note that I also said "This may be too...Oleg, <br />Note that I also said "This may be too simplistic I'm sure and it's way beyond my knowledge or ability".<br /><br />If I could do it I would but I can't. Least of all I am not qualified.Filhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10800945339504629586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-25321405158426112010-05-31T17:24:40.223-07:002010-05-31T17:24:40.223-07:00Cornelius, if you think that "a designer coul...Cornelius, if you think that "a designer could fuse chromosomes that, too" is a clever retort, have I got a bridge to sell you. A designer, particularly one with a capital D, can do <i>anything</i>. Scientists are not in the business of disproving design in nature (see the previous sentence why). They're interested in testing their scientific theories. Your ID is a little side show for the conservative Christian base. Few scientists are paying attention.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-86069046282935722952010-05-31T17:15:25.394-07:002010-05-31T17:15:25.394-07:00Fil,
why don't you calculate the probability ...Fil,<br /><br />why don't you calculate the probability and send the calculation to a biological journal, putting all those scientists with federal funding to shame. And if it doesn't get through peer review there's always BIO-Complexity. They seem starved for submissions.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-37880584379582241842010-05-31T13:53:48.453-07:002010-05-31T13:53:48.453-07:00oleg:"An honest answer to the question posed ...<i>oleg:"An honest answer to the question posed by Filwould be no. There is simply not enough information to perform that kind of calculation, and Martin Nowak said so in no uncertain terms."<br /><br />CH: "So then would it also be honest to say we do not know evolution to be a fact?</i><br /><br />No, it would be dishonest because the fact of evolution was not established by and does not depend on calculating probabilities.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-3503935464787071722010-05-31T13:26:48.077-07:002010-05-31T13:26:48.077-07:00oleg:
"I'm sure you've heard about m...oleg:<br /><br />"I'm sure you've heard about making predictions and testing them, Cornelius ... Didn't they teach you that in 8th grade?"<br /><br />No, that was 7th grade. They also taught us modus tollens. In 8th grade they taught us the affirming the consequent fallacy.<br /><br /><br /><br />"Like fusion of chromosome 2 in humans."<br /><br />http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2009/08/bogey-moment-human-chromosome-count.htmlCornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-6956222200634291192010-05-31T11:23:21.179-07:002010-05-31T11:23:21.179-07:00Honestly.... with all the brains and money being t...Honestly.... with all the brains and money being thrown at science these days and they cant complete any real probabilty studies??? I submit that it's not because they can't but because they don't want to.<br />ex. 3.3 billion years ago single celled organisms appeared<br />1.5 billion years ago multicelled organisms appeared<br /><br />calculate differences in structure and properties that would have required mutations<br /><br />number of generations required for necessary mutations to occur<br /><br />repeat throughout history to reach our current time.<br /><br />This may be too simplistic I'm sure and it's way beyond my knowledge or ability but I'm shocked noone has seriously tried it.<br /><br />Keep it conservative.Filhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10800945339504629586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-60996030652146232062010-05-31T10:09:59.174-07:002010-05-31T10:09:59.174-07:00I'm sure you've heard about making predict...I'm sure you've heard about making predictions and testing them, Cornelius. Like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2_(human)#Evolution" rel="nofollow">fusion of chromosome 2 in humans</a>. Or like transitional forms connecting <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans" rel="nofollow">whales to ungulates</a>. It works the same across different sciences. Didn't they teach you that in 8th grade?oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-56060375857048739212010-05-31T09:55:21.398-07:002010-05-31T09:55:21.398-07:00Oleg:
"You don't seem to understand how ...Oleg:<br /><br />"You don't seem to understand how science works."<br /><br />Well can you enlighten me? I'm unclear how science can tell us this. <br /><br />"Scientific evidence is different from a mathematical proof. "<br /><br />I wasn't suggesting that. I'm just going by what evolutionists claim.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-37738532394585878082010-05-31T09:30:02.766-07:002010-05-31T09:30:02.766-07:00Cornelius,
You don't seem to understand how ...Cornelius, <br /><br />You don't seem to understand how science works. Scientific evidence is different from a mathematical proof.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-59539635447705417792010-05-31T09:07:41.709-07:002010-05-31T09:07:41.709-07:00oleg:
"To the best of our knowledge, evoluti...oleg:<br /><br />"To the best of our knowledge, evolution has happened. That's not even controversial."<br /><br />Why is that true? You just admitted we cannot even compute the probabilities.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-32788403933585810672010-05-31T08:39:12.706-07:002010-05-31T08:39:12.706-07:00Cornelius,
To the best of our knowledge, evolutio...Cornelius,<br /><br />To the best of our knowledge, evolution has happened. That's not even controversial.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-15262945781469086052010-05-31T08:28:36.955-07:002010-05-31T08:28:36.955-07:00Thorton
ID is supported by many PhDs in biology,ch...Thorton<br />ID is supported by many PhDs in biology,chemistry,physics,philosophy....they are raising very serious questions about our reality. All the views they present are logical and without any religion( at least the books I read).Eugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-83375124308398862632010-05-31T08:10:43.714-07:002010-05-31T08:10:43.714-07:00oleg:
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An honest answer to the question p...oleg:<br /><br />========<br />An honest answer to the question posed by Filwould be no. There is simply not enough information to perform that kind of calculation, and Martin Nowak said so in no uncertain terms. <br />========<br /><br />So then would it also be honest to say we do not know evolution to be a fact?Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-3359712206260193582010-05-31T07:32:37.385-07:002010-05-31T07:32:37.385-07:00Cornelius,
An honest answer to the question pose...Cornelius, <br /><br />An honest answer to the question posed by <a href="#c1019469816526700061" rel="nofollow">Fil</a>would be no. There is simply not enough information to perform that kind of calculation, and Martin Nowak <a href="#c6513037257120511251" rel="nofollow">said so</a> in no uncertain terms.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-21782047924398244582010-05-31T06:47:55.294-07:002010-05-31T06:47:55.294-07:00Eugen said...
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laugh...<i>Eugen said...<br /><br />hideously bad<br />butchered<br />badly<br />laughingstock<br /><br />Blog owner you da man for putting up with these negative people who do not come with open mind to discuss or learn something .Instead some of them come angry with their mind already made up</i><br /><br />The thing is Eugen, I can and do back up every last one of the things I post with evidence from the primary scientific literature. I've yet to see any IDCer support a single one of their grandiose claims. Why do you suppose that is?Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-72002661198345894842010-05-31T06:46:20.182-07:002010-05-31T06:46:20.182-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-8021732944216449362010-05-31T05:47:09.513-07:002010-05-31T05:47:09.513-07:00hideously bad
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Blo...hideously bad <br />butchered<br />badly<br />laughingstock <br /><br />Blog owner you da man for putting up with these negative people who do not come with open mind to discuss or learn something .Instead some of them come angry with their mind already made up.Eugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-90099110066209284792010-05-30T22:17:26.176-07:002010-05-30T22:17:26.176-07:00CH: "Someone asked if probability calculation...<i>CH: "Someone asked if probability calculations had ever been done. Then I added the additional point that the "fact" of evolution trumped their calculations."</i><br /><br />Are you talking about those hideously bad examples attempted by Dembski and Behe? The ones where they butchered both the biology and the probability calculations so badly it made them a laughingstock in both the scientific <b>and</b> mathematics communities? In both those cases it wasn't evolution but <b>simple reality</b> that trumped their calculations.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-55810326193399274202010-05-30T20:27:17.017-07:002010-05-30T20:27:17.017-07:00Oleg:
Someone asked if probability calculations h...Oleg:<br /><br />Someone asked if probability calculations had ever been done. Then I added the additional point that the "fact" of evolution trumped their calculations.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-2367947493299985242010-05-30T20:22:37.282-07:002010-05-30T20:22:37.282-07:00Then, Cornelius, enlighten us what was the point o...Then, Cornelius, enlighten us what <i>was</i> the point of bringing up some mathematician who had expressed doubts about neo-Darwinism.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-29289265007364740822010-05-30T17:30:22.063-07:002010-05-30T17:30:22.063-07:00Ritchie:
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'Necessarily?'
Do you or ...Ritchie:<br /><br /><br />====<br />'Necessarily?'<br /><br />Do you or don't you? Cut the evasion. <br />====<br /><br />Evasion? Is it evasive to avoid dogmatic positions on nuanced questions? It depends, of course. What mathematician, for instance? The point is I don't hold the position Oleg read into my blog.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-53091540484012772972010-05-30T12:31:36.443-07:002010-05-30T12:31:36.443-07:00Cornelius -
I don't necessarily think that. ...Cornelius -<br /><br /><b><br />I don't necessarily think that. <br /></b><br /><br />'Necessarily?'<br /><br />Do you or don't you? Cut the evasion.Ritchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03494987782757049380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-89271591589492348512010-05-29T22:02:55.033-07:002010-05-29T22:02:55.033-07:00RobertC:
"But going to a 1966 quote mine sho...RobertC:<br /><br />"But going to a 1966 quote mine shows how little you've got... "<br /><br />That wasn't my point.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.com