tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post470449203288842800..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Workshop on Scientific ImperialismUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-86810255494247248692014-10-05T19:49:10.761-07:002014-10-05T19:49:10.761-07:00On this issue, that's about it, Zachriel.On this issue, that's about it, Zachriel.Eugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-70176381284719412652014-10-05T09:13:31.431-07:002014-10-05T09:13:31.431-07:00Eugen (quoting): "The zygote, the first cell ...<b>Eugen</b> (quoting): "<i>The zygote, the first cell of a new organism with an individual genome </i>"<br /><br />Sure, we agree with that. Anything else? <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-62801083050233409212014-10-05T09:11:33.458-07:002014-10-05T09:11:33.458-07:00Zachriel
So science doesn't matter now? Stick...Zachriel<br /><br />So science doesn't matter now? Stick to biology you and your atheist friends worship and read on when does human life start. <br /><br /><a href="http://bit.ly/1BGYnr1" rel="nofollow">let me Google that for you</a><br /><br />From the page:<br /><br />"The zygote, the first cell of a new organism with an individual genome (2n4C) is created by the alignment of the maternal chromosomes together with the paternal ones on a common spindle apparatus."<br /><br />You keep slipping into Mumbo-jumbo--bureaucratic-politically-correct-let's-pick-when-can-we-kill-human universe. Stay with us.<br />Eugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-34267299550732907732014-10-05T08:33:32.297-07:002014-10-05T08:33:32.297-07:00Eugen: Don't worry about person-hood.
Person-...<b>Eugen</b>: <i>Don't worry about person-hood.</i><br /><br />Person-hood is the question at issue. Fertilized eggs are alive, but then again, so are sperm. <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk<br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-1937995351908257152014-10-05T08:22:11.132-07:002014-10-05T08:22:11.132-07:00Zachriel
Don't worry about person-hood. When ...Zachriel<br /><br />Don't worry about person-hood. When does human life start, Zachriel?<br /><br />Please stop embarrassing yourself.Eugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-51214187566633108302014-10-05T07:03:20.796-07:002014-10-05T07:03:20.796-07:00Here are some pro-choice arguments.
"Person...Here are some pro-choice arguments. <br /><br />"Personhood begins after a fetus becomes "viable" (able to survive outside the womb) or after birth, not at conception."<br />http://abortion.procon.org/<br /><br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-53259050751256528262014-10-05T07:01:55.786-07:002014-10-05T07:01:55.786-07:00Robert Byers: Abortion is only a intellectual cont...<b>Robert Byers</b>: <i>Abortion is only a intellectual contention for 99% Not a moral one.</i><br /><br />Most people support restrictions late in pregnancy, meaning they distinguish morally between a fertilized egg and a fetus in late development. <br /><br /><b>Robert Byers</b>: <i>simply most pro choicers think in late term the jid has arrived. fetus no more. </i><br /><br />You seem to be playing with words. Kid usually refers to a specific stage of development after birth. A late-term pregnancy is still about a fetus. Most people who are pro-choice don't define a strict dividing line. They point to female autonomy from government intrusion, especially in the first trimester, but generally grant more concerns with the fetus later in pregnancy. <br /><br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-76465221386173217012014-10-04T20:06:59.082-07:002014-10-04T20:06:59.082-07:00Do not agree.
Abortion is only a intellectual cont...Do not agree.<br />Abortion is only a intellectual contention for 99%<br />Not a moral one.<br />Each side saying the other is morally wrong are just wrong.<br />Both act consistently from thier presumption as to whether the fetus is a kid or not.<br />If pro choicers believed a fetus was a kid they would convert to pro life.<br />If I didn't believe the fetus was a kid I would convert to pro choice.<br /><br />in fact your point about late term is case in point.<br />simply most pro choicers think in late term the jid has arrived. fetus no more.<br />So they agree with human tights for the kid or something.<br /><br />All agree all people have a right to life but when is the fetus a human is the only difference of opinion.<br />Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-20177701191060741872014-10-04T06:08:56.635-07:002014-10-04T06:08:56.635-07:00When someone dies, the government generally has an...When someone dies, the government generally has an inquiry. Should the government require a woman to submit her menses for examination to determine whether she expelled a fertilized egg? <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-54664854132794701462014-10-04T06:07:39.633-07:002014-10-04T06:07:39.633-07:00Eugen: Science tells us that human life begins whe...<b>Eugen</b>: <i>Science tells us that human life begins when the long process of fertilization is complete and the first cell has all the information to build a human being. </i><br /><br />The legal question is when the being has civil rights, and when the state has the authority to exert control over the woman. <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-73017957436406622402014-10-04T05:54:39.599-07:002014-10-04T05:54:39.599-07:00Let's disregard the bureaucratic and political...Let's disregard the bureaucratic and politically correct trash language of whining activists who worry more about frogs than humans.<br />Science tells us that human life begins when the long process of fertilization is complete and the first cell has all the information to build a human being.<br />Eugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-69479521609159484862014-10-04T05:36:25.397-07:002014-10-04T05:36:25.397-07:00Robert Byers: Pro-lifers say at conception , the s...<b>Robert Byers</b>: <i>Pro-lifers say at conception , the soul put in, and pro choicers say some other time. </i><br /><br />While a strict moment of ensoulment is a common belief, many people see development as a continuum. <br /><br /><b>Robert Byers</b>: <i>Its a intellectual contention and not a moral one for 99%.</i><br /><br />It's certainly a moral question for many people. While some don't recognize any rights for even a late-term fetus, most do. That's why abortion policy often depends on the stage of development, with the government having increasing interest at later stages. It's a balance between the moral values of female independence, limitation of government, and the increasingly recognized rights of the fetus. <br /><br />The common law tradition was prohibition of abortion after quickening. <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-66106923326145516942014-10-03T21:14:41.767-07:002014-10-03T21:14:41.767-07:00Fair enough. At some point a child person has arri...Fair enough. At some point a child person has arrived in the world.<br />Pro-lifers say at conception , the soul put in, and pro choicers say some other time.<br />Late in the pregnancy or at birth and so see abortion as morally fine.<br />Its a intellectual contention and not a moral one for 99%.Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-36693562382323319872014-10-03T05:36:51.283-07:002014-10-03T05:36:51.283-07:00Robert Byers: pro-choicers do not think the fetus ...<b>Robert Byers</b>: <i>pro-choicers do not think the fetus is a kid </i><br /><br />Kid usually refers to a specific stage of development. <br /><br />Most people don't look on a fertilized egg as more than a possibility. Several fertilized eggs are often used in fertility treatments to create each baby. <br /><br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-79567994422527561402014-10-02T20:09:46.472-07:002014-10-02T20:09:46.472-07:00it isn't in the peoples minds.
its a intellect...it isn't in the peoples minds.<br />its a intellectual contention plain and simple and moral for both.<br />pro-choicers do not think the fetus is a kid and act morally consistent from this stance.<br />Pro lifers do and act accordingly.<br />The civil rights is irrelevant.<br />If its a kid it has the RIGHTS to life and can't be murdered.<br />Pro choice, sincerely, and must entirely make its case on the fetus not being a kid.<br />If man does not have the right to life, ala Locke, then all is lost that was gained on mankinds essential moral rights due to his dignity.<br />Citizenship is irrelevant. <br />fetus/kids should not have citizenship until born.<br />Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-38317977502857822542014-10-02T05:18:18.022-07:002014-10-02T05:18:18.022-07:00Robert Byers: Both sides are equally moral on huma...<b>Robert Byers</b>: <i>Both sides are equally moral on human rights to life YET the pro choice side insists the fetus is not a human being most or all of its life in the mother. </i><br /><br />Some people might make that argument, but the general argument is whether the fetus has civil rights as a citizen. <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-87649382688688913362014-10-01T19:45:37.259-07:002014-10-01T19:45:37.259-07:00Thanks for the reply.
I am pro-life but I see it a...Thanks for the reply.<br />I am pro-life but I see it as not a moral issue but a intellectual issue.<br />Both sides are equally moral on human rights to life YET the pro choice side insists the fetus is not a human being most or all of its life in the mother.<br />Pro-lifers say it is a child from conception , or some a little later, and therefore act accordingly in on insisting on an end to abortion.<br />its entirely about the humanity , or not, of the 'fetus".<br />I don't see evolution concepts affecting these conclusions.<br />Easily pro-choice people come from classes that have no ideas about evolution. <br /><br />As to Nazi Germany I say it was very little about race ideas. Hitler was clear his genocide was revenge. not about race as such.<br /><br />Anyways many creationist thinkers do say evolution is the most or one of the most important science ideas.<br />I see it as not effective on human history or true science history.<br />Its an obscure subject that produces lots of smoke but no heat.<br />I see where your coming from but I do want to see old chuck Darwin relegated to a minor place. Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-44800028011726750722014-09-29T20:18:40.808-07:002014-09-29T20:18:40.808-07:00Robert:
Ouch. I don't like the comment that e...Robert:<br /><br /><i>Ouch. I don't like the comment that evolution is the most important Science theory.</i><br /><br />Which comment is that?<br /><br /><i>I don't see it had a effect on North America in its morals or politics.</i><br /><br />Abortion?<br /><br /><i>I don't think much overseas either.</i><br /><br />WWI? The 3rd Reich?Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-11148647045162881442014-09-29T19:57:54.170-07:002014-09-29T19:57:54.170-07:00Ouch. I don't like the comment that evolution ...Ouch. I don't like the comment that evolution is the most important Science theory. I understand the points but evolution had no effect on actual accomplishment in human dealings with anything.<br />I don't see it had a effect on North America in its morals or politics.<br />I don't think much overseas either.<br />In fact evolution ideas has always moved in the small circles in the upper class including the academic upper class. <br />I don't think the eventual demise of this evo bio ideas will make a better world. Problems are bigger then evo.Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-50858791991425812362014-09-28T15:39:48.341-07:002014-09-28T15:39:48.341-07:00Thanks for the kind note Peter.Thanks for the kind note Peter.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-67152314740512986712014-09-28T13:38:19.966-07:002014-09-28T13:38:19.966-07:00DrHunter,
This is a dangerous rationalization evo...<i>DrHunter,<br /><br />This is a dangerous rationalization evolutionists consistently use. This seems to always be the response to the unequivocal facts of the destruction that evolution led to. It's OK because people have always been killing and maiming each other.</i><br /><br />Perhaps the cause of the present day mayhem is the same as the pre evolution mayhem, evolution is just a convenient rationalization or scapegoat.velikovskyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10957523527184649923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-88554630306997500802014-09-28T12:51:49.322-07:002014-09-28T12:51:49.322-07:00It's good to see you back again after such a l...It's good to see you back again after such a long drought. Truth tellers are so very rare. Even rarer are truth tellers that illuminate so much.Peter Wadeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00396555091658593382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-38309181512779793432014-09-28T09:23:44.147-07:002014-09-28T09:23:44.147-07:00Spedding,
"And there's just the slight pr...Spedding,<br />"And there's just the slight problem that imperialism genocide, immorality, corruption, slavery and all the other self-inflicted wounds of humanity pre-date the theory of evolution by millenia.."<br /><br />This is a dangerous rationalization evolutionists consistently use. This seems to always be the response to the unequivocal facts of the destruction that evolution led to. It's OK because people have always been killing and maiming each other.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-71999431001614793932014-09-28T00:39:33.397-07:002014-09-28T00:39:33.397-07:00Spedding,
"And there's just the slight p...Spedding,<br /> "And there's just the slight problem that imperialism genocide, immorality, corruption, slavery and all the other self-inflicted wounds of humanity pre-date the theory of evolution by millenia.. Mankind has had no need of the scribblings of a 19th century English gentleman scientist to encourage it to commit such misdeeds. Religion more than sufficed."<br /><br />From the Wayback Machine - "Although atheism might have been logically tenable before Darwin, Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist."<br /><br />Yes, there are countless things which existed before the Theory of Evolution was invented. It's just that the theory of evolution scientifically legitimized them providing the raw motivation for future atrocities which really wouldn't be atrocities under the guidance of science. For example, we now have been informed that Rape is an evolutionary adaptation strategy used by socially inferior men to spread their DNA and nothing more. It will become entertaining to see the first Rapist and his lawyer using the scientific literature on this in a "My Selfish Genes Made me do it" Defense.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03846750950515109492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-65265827791367079252014-09-27T20:35:35.361-07:002014-09-27T20:35:35.361-07:00If Downes and his colleagues really are pushing th...If Downes and his colleagues really <i>are</i> pushing that line then you're in for a real orgy of evidence-free just-so stories at that conference.<br /><br />And there's just the slight problem that imperialism genocide, immorality, corruption, slavery and all the other self-inflicted wounds of humanity pre-date the theory of evolution by millenia.. Mankind has had no need of the scribblings of a 19th century English gentleman scientist to encourage it to commit such misdeeds. Religion more than sufficed. Try Martin Luther on the Jews for a start. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11311738457332907931noreply@blogger.com