tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post8618142154411338506..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Evolution: Garbage In, Garbage OutUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-68077451363514072232014-12-17T16:23:04.270-08:002014-12-17T16:23:04.270-08:00Cornelius Hunter So Ian, would you say abortion is...<i><b>Cornelius Hunter</b> So Ian, would you say abortion is wrong? Is pornography wrong?</i><br /><br />I'm opposed to abortion on the grounds that I think the right to life should apply to the whole of an individual's existence, from conception to 'croak'.. I'd allow medical exemptions, though.<br /><br />Pornography, dare I say it, covers a multitude of sins. There are paintings in the Sistine Chapel that are arguably pornographic, certainly, many classical works. I don't see those as wrong. In any event, what goes on between consenting adults in any age is nobody's business but theirs. The coerced exploitation of the vulnerable and powerless is wrong, so is the involvement of children under any circumstances.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11311738457332907931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-15490792089371525312014-12-15T17:16:01.271-08:002014-12-15T17:16:01.271-08:00No, pornography is not a healthy, artful expressio...<i>No, pornography is not a healthy, artful expression as <b>many evolutionists argue</b>.</i><br /><br />This claim could be interesting, but, as usual, you don't have any evidence to support your intuition. Prove me wrong:<br /><br />Who are these persons and what do they say?<br />Pedanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12656298969231453877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-77860683382076963512014-12-15T15:32:02.708-08:002014-12-15T15:32:02.708-08:00JD:
I'm not defending pornography at all, jus...JD:<br /><br /><i>I'm not defending pornography at all, just trying to offer a different viewpoint as to why it exists.</i><br /><br />Actually you suggested opposition to it is driven by uptight religious sentiment.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-34285776128392547062014-12-15T14:08:51.013-08:002014-12-15T14:08:51.013-08:00CH: "Except I didn't say that."
You...CH: "Except I didn't say that."<br /><br />You kind of did..but never mind...whatever.<br /><br />I'm not defending pornography at all, just trying to offer a different viewpoint as to why it exists. I have made no value statement either way. You inserted that yourself. TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-89055019647063929432014-12-15T13:41:11.049-08:002014-12-15T13:41:11.049-08:00JD:
So pornography doesn't predate Darwin the...JD:<br /><br /><i>So pornography doesn't predate Darwin then?</i><br /><br />Except I didn't say that. I pointed out that it appears that by your logic an idea can have influence only if it caused something for the first time.<br /><br /><i>Maybe the reason pornography exists is for the simple reason that human beings are perpetually horny. ... Well, the reason creationists don't like pornography is nothing to do with science but because of their religious believes.</i><br /><br />So once again, the evolutionist defends pornography.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-63975916367620624512014-12-15T12:56:00.752-08:002014-12-15T12:56:00.752-08:00CH: "No, you argued against a link, using th...CH: "No, you argued against a link, using the flawed logic that pornography predates Darwin."<br /><br />Huh? What link? So pornography doesn't predate Darwin then? So you're an expert now in pornography now too?<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_erotic_depictions<br /><br />Maybe the reason pornography exists is for the simple reason that human beings are perpetually horny. <br /><br />So is evolution also to blame for prostitution too?<br /><br />Well, the reason creationists don't like pornography is nothing to do with science but because of their religious believes. I mean God and sex never really have done well together have they?TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-23079174613113015272014-12-15T07:42:44.282-08:002014-12-15T07:42:44.282-08:00JD:
You made the claim, not me. I'm just tryi...JD:<br /><br /><i>You made the claim, not me. I'm just trying to understand YOUR logic</i><br /><br />No, you argued against a link, using the flawed logic that pornography predates Darwin.<br /><br /><br /><i>please provide the evidence for your claim</i><br /><br />That is not a difficult task. You can look at major influences, such as Margeret Sanger and Hugh Hefner. You need to be careful with Sanger because there were some different ideas in her day. She opposed some social and economic Darwinism ideas which she felt impinged on women’s sexual freedoms. So at times she opposes “evolutionists,” but it is in a different sense than what that would mean today. She definitely was influenced by Darwinism, the biological version. As for Hefner, he says it was “Freud and Darwin” that impacted him the most when he was young (and of course Freud was influenced by Darwin). His Hugh M. Hefner Foundation, for example, gave its annual “Hugh M. Hefner First Amendment Award” to evolution advocate Zack Kopplin. Today you find sympathy for pornography amongst evolutionists but not creationists.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-12338952680201533162014-12-14T22:54:51.994-08:002014-12-14T22:54:51.994-08:00bpgramatic: And then you have the gall to request...bpgramatic: And then you have the gall to request "empirical evidence", when you are in full support of vast conjecture behind nde without a shred of sufficient empirical evidence to support your conjecture. <br /><br />Wow, that's a lot of conjecture on your part there. I actually haven't said anything about what I think about pornography one way or the other. Cornelius made a claim linking evolution to pornography with absolutely no reasoning or evidence to back up his claim. I'm just asking him to connect the dots, otherwise I'm just going to assume it's more fire and brimstone from the CH pulpit. <br />TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-16607565818242238372014-12-14T22:51:35.435-08:002014-12-14T22:51:35.435-08:00CH: It appears that by your logic an idea can have...CH: It appears that by your logic an idea can have influence only if it caused something for the first time.<br /><br />You made the claim, not me. I'm just trying to understand YOUR logic in linking evolution to pornography. Either provide some real evidence for this claim, or admit it's just a bit of gratuitous hand-waving without any foundation. Again, please provide the evidence for your claim. <br />TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-57236605899492592322014-12-14T22:14:25.207-08:002014-12-14T22:14:25.207-08:00JDRick
So what impact on can you imagine that Darw...JDRick<br />So what impact on can you imagine that Darwins specjaculations had on individual belief systems that would allow expansion and perpetuation of concepts such as "pornography" in society, particularly in light of the information age that we experience? A better question is, on what basis do you even "bite" on Cornelius's implication that somehow pornography may be something objectionable?<br />And then you have the gall to request "empirical evidence", when you are in full support of vast conjecture behind nde without a shred of sufficient empirical evidence to support your conjecturebpragmatichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13462678825475085862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-52727299406416936962014-12-14T21:56:15.067-08:002014-12-14T21:56:15.067-08:00So Spedding, how do you think Darwin's specula...So Spedding, how do you think Darwin's speculations<br />affected social attitudes towards "abortion, pornography and the persecution and massacre of Jews" after the "centuries before Darwin published his work" ("work" equals unsubstantiated conjecture, speculation out of sheer ignorance, and simplistic conclusions derived from totally deplete information taking what is now known to be required in order to come to competent conclusions regarding the issues involved.) Your ideas are such dead philosophy. You really need to educate yourself with science in order to be taken seriously here. Oh, by the way, since the world is "over populated" why don't you lead the charge and eradicate yourself as part of your alleged remedy? Which in your mind would do your grand children a favor.bpragmatichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13462678825475085862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-88429172993331217812014-12-14T19:54:05.426-08:002014-12-14T19:54:05.426-08:00JD:
As Ian points out above pornography has been ...JD:<br /><br /><i>As Ian points out above pornography has been around for probably thousands of years </i><br /><br />It appears that by your logic an idea can have influence only if it caused something for the first time.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-51727915088185706552014-12-14T19:48:29.367-08:002014-12-14T19:48:29.367-08:00So Ian, would you say abortion is wrong? Is pornog...So Ian, would you say abortion is wrong? Is pornography wrong?Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-44457032923403727322014-12-14T09:32:13.519-08:002014-12-14T09:32:13.519-08:00It's often been a common claim that this is a ...It's often been a common claim that this is a casual link between Darwin's theory of evolution and eugenics and the holocaust.<br /><br />But pornography? That's a new one!! As Ian points out above pornography has been around for probably thousands of years (Pompei has some very explicit erotic art for example). <br /><br />I am wondering Cornelius if this is your example of "man's imagination"? Or maybe you can provide empirical data as to why evolution is now apparently responsible for pornography too? Please explain how. <br /><br /> TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-10405086268878543292014-12-13T21:22:45.196-08:002014-12-13T21:22:45.196-08:00Abortion, pornography and the persecution and mass...Abortion, pornography and the persecution and massacre of Jews all existed for centuries before Darwin published his work. His only contribution was to provide people like you with a scapegoat on which they could hang the blame for human failings which Christianity had not only signally failed to eradicate but in which, in the case of persecution of the Jews, they participated enthusiastically.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11311738457332907931noreply@blogger.com