tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post8404569115147741097..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Allele-Specific DNA Methylation and the World of EpigeneticsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-46188335876142801482011-02-03T19:27:53.981-08:002011-02-03T19:27:53.981-08:00DNA means deoxy ribose nucleic acid. DNA methylati...DNA means deoxy ribose nucleic acid. DNA methylation is accomplished via the action of a protein machine that adds the methyl group at precisely the right location in the DNA strand. Thanks...<br /><br /><a href="http://imgenex.com/" rel="nofollow">DNA Methylation</a>Michel buzzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17809703724363152316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-83215593445055593782010-11-19T15:14:43.606-08:002010-11-19T15:14:43.606-08:00Natschuster wrote:
Well, as long aa most of the ...Natschuster wrote: <br /><br /><b>Well, as long aa most of the time, the stuff He designed functions as intended, then He is at least a good enough Designer. </b><br /><br />What makes you think anything actually functions as the designer actually intended? Given an abstract designer, it would seem you couldn't actually know this without making additional assumptions.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11193595678064010528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-88126039508837424112010-11-18T20:27:27.135-08:002010-11-18T20:27:27.135-08:00Derick:
I never said that we can infer from study...Derick:<br /><br />I never said that we can infer from studying organisms that the designer was the God of the Bible. I don't think it can be infered from studying organism alone.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-44890715140351839272010-11-17T20:12:23.206-08:002010-11-17T20:12:23.206-08:00natschuster: Where did I ever say that the Designe...<b>natschuster:</b> <i>Where did I ever say that the Designer was God?</i><br /><br />Puh-lease, nat. Don't insult people's intelligence like that.Derick Childresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04957020457782757629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-17374372851465808472010-11-17T18:10:48.246-08:002010-11-17T18:10:48.246-08:00Where did I ever say that the Designer was God? Th...Where did I ever say that the Designer was God? That's a theological issue. And its been discussed by theologians for centuries.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-90407436686013570402010-11-17T06:38:58.292-08:002010-11-17T06:38:58.292-08:00natschuster: An expert designer can choose to desi...<b>natschuster:</b> <i>An expert designer can choose to design less than perfect things. Often, this is the case when humans make things. There are usually trade offs caused by <b>engineering, manufacturing, and economic constraints.</b></i><br /><br />Ah, that explains it then. God had 'engineering constraints' when making viruses. Or His shop didn't have the right manufacturing capability for the anti-birth-defect mechanism. Perhaps God ran out of money for the project before he could implement the anti-leukemia mechanisms.Derick Childresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04957020457782757629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-58781312857878853582010-11-16T19:44:40.586-08:002010-11-16T19:44:40.586-08:00An expert designer can choose to design less than ...An expert designer can choose to design less than perfect things. Often, this is the case when humans make things. There are usually trade offs caused by engineering, manufacturing, and economic constraints.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-44106114241922434992010-11-16T19:36:52.357-08:002010-11-16T19:36:52.357-08:00Do you study canyons to get ideas for designing st...Do you study canyons to get ideas for designing structures like desalinization plants or efficinet airfoil designs?johnny shoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12987657190541280235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-45361599187406230952010-11-16T19:21:47.764-08:002010-11-16T19:21:47.764-08:00natschuste: rAnd if engineers are studying organis...<b>natschuste: r</b><i>And if engineers are studying organism to gety ideas, because so many organisms show superb, even optimal design, then the designer is pretty good.</i><br /><br />I study clouds to get ideas. Does that mean clouds are designed? I study canyons to get ideas. Does that mean canyons are designed?<br /><br /><b>natschuster: </b><i>Well, as long aa most of the time, the stuff He designed functions as intended, then He is at least a good enough Designer. </i><br /><br />That reminds me of the song they sing at church: "How Good Enough is our God," or that one by Rich Mullins: "Our God is a Good Enough God."Derick Childresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04957020457782757629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-4537480281638614292010-11-16T15:02:39.241-08:002010-11-16T15:02:39.241-08:00Well, as long aa most of the time, the stuff He de...Well, as long aa most of the time, the stuff He designed functions as intended, then He is at least a good enough Designer. <br /><br />And if engineers are studying organism to gety ideas, because so many organisms show superb, even optimal design, then the designer is pretty good.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-7942383122525698532010-11-15T17:38:36.110-08:002010-11-15T17:38:36.110-08:00natschuster said...
Thorton:
People say ...<i>natschuster said...<br /><br /> Thorton:<br /><br /> People say that bad design can't be explained by a designer.</i><br /><br />Reference please. No one I've ever heard of says that.<br /><br />People say bad design can't be explained by an <b>all powerful, all knowing, competent</b> Designer, but that is something completely different.<br /><br />Is your Designer an incompetent boob?Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-76927950504571468442010-11-15T16:32:54.625-08:002010-11-15T16:32:54.625-08:00Thorton:
People say that bad design can't be ...Thorton:<br /><br />People say that bad design can't be explained by a designer.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-91194391773950439522010-11-15T16:31:49.547-08:002010-11-15T16:31:49.547-08:00RobertC:
I really don't know what the goal of...RobertC:<br /><br />I really don't know what the goal of the designer is. But maybe as long as an organism lives long enough to reproduce, it has fullfilled the designers purpose. <br /><br />And I'm not sure what the significance of cancer is, anyway. Most people don't die from cancer. And some people die from cancer before they have passed out if the reproductive years. Do cnacer rates suddenly go up after menopause? And men can remain fertile into old age. But they get cancer.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-88672988102158414592010-11-15T16:27:14.127-08:002010-11-15T16:27:14.127-08:00Dereck:
We know of computers that don't have ...Dereck:<br /><br />We know of computers that don't have microchips. And we understnadf how computers could have functioned with things like vacuum tubes. I don't think that the same thing could be said for organisms.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-8718385740218106342010-11-15T07:20:58.157-08:002010-11-15T07:20:58.157-08:00natschuster: If every organism has epigenetic mech...<b>natschuster:</b> <i>If every organism has epigenetic mechanisms, then that would seem to indicate that these mechanisms are necessary for all life. So how did life survive before epigenetic mechanisms evolved?</i><br /><br />Nat, if every computer now in service has microchips, then that would seem to indicate that microchips are necessary for all computers. So how did computers operate before the invention of the microchip?Derick Childresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04957020457782757629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-14123123074882110122010-11-14T21:13:25.774-08:002010-11-14T21:13:25.774-08:00"It was intended that it work long enough to ..."It was intended that it work long enough to allow the organism to reproduce."<br /><br />Is, then, reproduction the only goal of design? <br /><br />Why do other design features (e.g. menopause and post-menopausal life span) seem to contradict the design feature you have discovered in the DNA methylation system?<br /><br />Also, no answer to the first three questions. Tsk.RobertChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15755085870566406648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-60314213415085259812010-11-14T21:03:51.391-08:002010-11-14T21:03:51.391-08:00natschuster said...
The evolutionary hypothes...<i>natschuster said...<br /><br /> The evolutionary hypothesis works for design as well. It was intended that it work long enough to allow the organism to reproduce.</i><br /><br />"It could have been designed that way" explains absolutely <b>nothing.</b> You might as well say "ZOMG it cudda been <b>MAJIK!"</b><br /><br />Tell me nat - what evidence could we find that <b>wouldn't</b> be covered by the nebulous "It must have been designed that way"?Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-69957456362206078322010-11-14T20:47:02.247-08:002010-11-14T20:47:02.247-08:00The evolutionary hypothesis works for design as we...The evolutionary hypothesis works for design as well. It was intended that it work long enough to allow the organism to reproduce.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-48520795931526073932010-11-14T20:24:30.393-08:002010-11-14T20:24:30.393-08:00natschuster-
The evolutionary hypothesis would be...natschuster-<br /><br />The evolutionary hypothesis would be that cancer has not been selected against because it is generally post reproductive, and largely a recent event of industrialized living.<br /><br />I was looking for a more specific explanatory design hypothesis than "stuff breaks."RobertChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15755085870566406648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-19138121220337871462010-11-14T20:15:01.291-08:002010-11-14T20:15:01.291-08:00RobertC:
Lots of thnigs designed by humans fail. ...RobertC:<br /><br />Lots of thnigs designed by humans fail. Cars break down, bridges collapse, computers crash.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-33779586559753123902010-11-14T20:09:23.368-08:002010-11-14T20:09:23.368-08:00How did you discern DNA methylation is designed?
...How did you discern DNA methylation is designed?<br /><br />By what mechanism was it designed?<br /><br />How did you rule out it could not have evolved from simpler systems (e.g. the restriction modification system)?<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restriction_enzyme<br /><br />Why does this design fail so often, for example, in accounting for the majority of cancers?<br />http://www.epigeneticstation.com/dna-methylation-cancer/RobertChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15755085870566406648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-71751004366321332732010-11-14T01:48:06.670-08:002010-11-14T01:48:06.670-08:00Norm Olsen:
"Eocene,
You can use html tags f...Norm Olsen:<br /><br />"Eocene,<br />You can use html tags for formatting and for embedding links. The syntax for links is:"<br />=======<br /><br />Well thanks Norm, I appreciate that. No matter how one may view the subject matter, that documentary and the subject epigenetics and genomic imprinting itself is fascinating.<br /><br />Thanks again.Eocenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350463133321355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-64969575570170736172010-11-13T19:52:49.875-08:002010-11-13T19:52:49.875-08:00If every organism has epigenetic mechanisms, then ...If every organism has epigenetic mechanisms, then that would seem to indicate that these mechanisms are necessary for all life. So how did life survive before epigenetic mechanisms evolved?natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-89821189594660204672010-11-13T18:52:18.996-08:002010-11-13T18:52:18.996-08:00--------"Is the jury out on that? In their 20...--------"Is the jury out on that? In their 2009 Quarterly Review of Biology paper Jablonka & Raz list quite a few examples of long-term stability. Especially in uni-cellular organisms. Could be a different story for multi-cellulars that use epigenetic marks during development and cell differentiation."-----------<br /><br />That would be expected in unicellular organisms, and in eukaryotic taxa where (as Jablonka & Raz note) there is a "lack of segregation between soma and germline", such as plants and fungi.Allopatrikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11569878194858225554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-73805025000394370862010-11-13T13:32:05.850-08:002010-11-13T13:32:05.850-08:00Eocene,
You can use html tags for formatting and f...Eocene,<br />You can use html tags for formatting and for embedding links. The syntax for links is:<br /><br /><a href="URL">TITLE</a><br /><br />Replace URL with your link address, and replace TITLE with the text you want to appear as the link.<br /><br />For example here, is the formatting for the link you provided:<br /><br /><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1128045835761675934#">The Ghost In Your Genes</a><br /><br />and as an embedded link:<br /><br /><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1128045835761675934#" rel="nofollow">The Ghost In Your Genes</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10538070410910465649noreply@blogger.com