tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post7237841317044642384..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: About That Oparin Prediction …Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-54473764569883694562017-01-24T19:37:28.997-08:002017-01-24T19:37:28.997-08:00Citation please
Every paper written on it. Every ...<i>Citation please</i><br /><br />Every paper written on it. Every textbook rendering of it.<br /><br /><i>Where are the symbols with regard to protein synthesis? </i><br /><br />Again- the mRNA codons REPRESENT, they do NOT become, the amino acids. That means the codons are the symbols as that is what the freaking word means. The codons do NOT fit well with the amino acids. There isn't any physical connection. The amino acids are connected to a tRNA and the connecting end of the tRNA is the same in all of them. The part of the tRNA that couples with the mRNA is downstream from the connected amino acid.<br /><br />There isn't any chemical fit between mRNA and amino acids.<br /><br />Every resource there is says the genetic code is a real code and there isn't any chemical fit between nucleotides and amino acids. Only someone totally ignorant of the genetic code would say such a thing.<br /><br />Google is your friend, use itJoe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-15441230334774263682017-01-24T18:54:58.744-08:002017-01-24T18:54:58.744-08:00Joke: "There isn't any chemical determina...Joke: "<i>There isn't any chemical determination as to what mRNA codon represents which amino acid."</i><br /><br />Citation please. <br /><br />"<i>Codes involve symbols- where are the symbols?"</i><br /><br />Where are the symbols with regard to protein synthesis? Codons? Codon is just a word that humans coined for three nucleotides that fit well (chemically) with a specific amino acid. Not a code. Chemistry. <br /><br /><br />William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-67378905046016838872017-01-24T18:02:19.960-08:002017-01-24T18:02:19.960-08:00wee willie:
As is protein synthesis.
Wrong again....wee willie:<br /><i>As is protein synthesis.</i><br /><br />Wrong again. You haven't been reading what I have been posting. Either that or it was way above your pointed little head.<br /><br />The one thing codes have in common is they are arbitrary meaning not reducible to any laws of chemistry and physics. The genetic code isn't an exception. There aren't any laws of physics and chemistry that can account for the genetic code. Just because the genetic code involves chemicals doesn't mean it is reducible to them.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-47955325354727341142017-01-24T17:47:34.086-08:002017-01-24T17:47:34.086-08:00Why isn't the arrangement of the atoms in a wa...<i>Why isn't the arrangement of the atoms in a water molecule not a code?</i><br /><br />It doesn't fit any definition of the word. Read the Wikipedia article on codes. That will be your entire education on the topic. It will also explain why you are totally wrong. Codes involve symbols- where are the symbols? What is being communicated?<br /><br /><i>Why isn't DNA a molecular code?</i><br /><br />Umm DNA is <b>part of</b> the genetic code. And no the genetic code is not governed by chemical laws. Haven't you been paying attention? Codes are arbitrary and not determined by any laws. There isn't any chemical determination as to what mRNA codon represents which amino acid.<br /><br />This has been explained to you many, many times.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-58636949940081028562017-01-24T17:31:28.133-08:002017-01-24T17:31:28.133-08:00Joke: "The magic of physics. Well physics is ...Joke: "<i>The magic of physics. Well physics is magic to the uneducated."</i><br /><br />As is protein synthesis. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-25737223090829836222017-01-24T16:48:48.882-08:002017-01-24T16:48:48.882-08:00wee willie:
So the fact that it crystallized at z...wee willie:<br /><i> So the fact that it crystallized at zero C is just magic? </i><br /><br />The magic of physics. Well physics is magic to the uneducatedJoe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-71019546180076179952017-01-24T16:43:30.196-08:002017-01-24T16:43:30.196-08:00Joke: "Also it takes 275 molecules of H2O to ...Joke: "<i>Also it takes 275 molecules of H2O to form a simple ice crystal. It is a physical property of H2O and not arbitrary. Not magic and not a molecular code, whatever that is."</i><br /><br />Really? Why not? Why isn't the arrangement of the atoms in a water molecule not a code? Why isn't DNA a molecular code? They both act according to chemical "laws". William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-79963054883379536892017-01-24T15:58:54.223-08:002017-01-24T15:58:54.223-08:00Wee Willie, I linked to the Wikipedia entry on cod...Wee Willie, I linked to the Wikipedia entry on codes. You should have read it as it would have been your total education on the topic.<br /><br />The fact that liquid water crystalizes at zero C proves there isn't any symbolic communication. mRNA codons do NOT become the amino acids they REPRESENT them. The dots and dashes of Morse REPESENT letters. They do not transform into them.<br /><br />Also it takes 275 molecules of H2O to form a simple ice crystal. It is a physical property of H2O and not arbitrary. Not magic and not a molecular code, whatever that is.<br /><br />But your desperation has opened up your imagination. Too bad your imagination isn't evidence.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-51124944342653497282017-01-24T15:45:00.808-08:002017-01-24T15:45:00.808-08:00Joke: "The molecule is not a code. It doesn&#...Joke: "<i>The molecule is not a code. It doesn't fit the definition."</i><br /><br />Really? So the fact that it crystallized at zero C is just magic? Or is their a built in molecular code?William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-46918094413412281062017-01-24T14:40:44.440-08:002017-01-24T14:40:44.440-08:00The molecule is not a code. It doesn't fit the...The molecule is not a code. It doesn't fit the definition.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-2107928774156699422017-01-24T13:29:03.463-08:002017-01-24T13:29:03.463-08:00Joke: "H2O is the symbol for the chemical for...Joke: "<i>H2O is the symbol for the chemical formula of a water molecule. So yes, writing H2O is a code for a water molecule."</i><br /><br />I was talking about the molecule itself, not the symbol.William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-62702207625492985092017-01-24T11:27:32.544-08:002017-01-24T11:27:32.544-08:00LoL! wee willie wasn't even allowed on debatin...LoL! wee willie wasn't even allowed on debating teams.<br /><br /><i>Is H2O a code?</i><br /><br />H2O is the symbol for the chemical formula of a water molecule. So yes, writing H2O is a code for a water molecule.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-15293056562390105862017-01-24T10:47:18.380-08:002017-01-24T10:47:18.380-08:00Joke: "LoL! Unlike wee wiilie the lying puke ...Joke: "<i>LoL! Unlike wee wiilie the lying puke I can tell a solid from a liquid- as can ducks. wee willie already said ice and water are the same. Ducks know they are not. Joe knows they are not.<br /><br />wee willie is a lying coward. It needs to distraction because of the overwhelming scientific evidence that the genetic code is a real code and he can't say anything about that."</i><br /><br />Always picked last on the debating teams, weren't you.<br /><br />Is H2O a code?William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-27481677559044511212017-01-24T04:58:00.524-08:002017-01-24T04:58:00.524-08:00LoL! Unlike wee wiilie the lying puke I can tell a...LoL! Unlike wee wiilie the lying puke I can tell a solid from a liquid- as can ducks. wee willie already said ice and water are the same. Ducks know they are not. Joe knows they are not.<br /><br />wee willie is a lying coward. It needs to distraction because of the overwhelming scientific evidence that the genetic code is a real code and he can't say anything about thatJoe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-52716112870948215212017-01-23T21:08:32.621-08:002017-01-23T21:08:32.621-08:00Joke: "Ducks are smart enough to be able to t...Joke: "<i>Ducks are smart enough to be able to tell ice from water."</i><br /><br />But Joe? Not so much. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-65226460720828341042017-01-23T19:31:52.075-08:002017-01-23T19:31:52.075-08:00Ducks are smart enough to be able to tell ice from...Ducks are smart enough to be able to tell ice from water. William, not so muchJoe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-28467212111488767002017-01-23T18:58:00.243-08:002017-01-23T18:58:00.243-08:00PM: "If it looks like a duck, swims like a du...PM: "<i>If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."</i><br /><br />Or Joe. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-31254969811641318162017-01-23T17:23:05.146-08:002017-01-23T17:23:05.146-08:00If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and qu...If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.Phillymikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11074043605165238761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-3928350366836653252017-01-23T10:56:38.282-08:002017-01-23T10:56:38.282-08:00William,
"There is a difference between a ph...William,<br /><br />"There is a difference between a physical "law" such as gravity that can be tested extensively to conclude that solid objects will always fall to earth, and extrapolating from intelligently made human codes to conclude that DNA is intelligently made."<br /><br />I am aware no analogy is perfect, but my point still stands. You have no examples of codes which have come into being from a non-intelligent source. In fact, it would be impossible to even create a scenario in which this could occur. <br /><br />On the other hand, you have many examples of codes which have come about via intelligence.<br />Therefore, it is completely valid to conclude codes arise as a result of intelligence, whereas you have no valid reason to argue they can arise from a non-intelligent source.<br /><br />So, yes, it is completely valid to extrapolate that the DNA code is intelligently designed. To conclude otherwise would be totally out of line with all observable, demonstrable and repeatable evidence and as such, completely unscientific.<br /><br />"No, the next question we have to ask is whether the "code" we see in DNA is analogous to we human codes."<br /><br />We may have an answer to that question very soon as a result of the growing research into the concept of using a DNA type data storage system to replace silicone chips. <br /><br />My initial response would be that they are analogous due to the fact we have come to understand some of the functioning of DNA. We are a long way from total understanding to be sure, but we know a lot more than we did 50 years ago.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-3285547631034686022017-01-23T09:38:50.810-08:002017-01-23T09:38:50.810-08:00Joe knows there is a difference between a solid an...Joe knows there is a <b>difference</b> between a solid and liquid. William doesn't appear to. <br /><br />Repeat after me:<br /><br />Hail is made up of ice<br />Rain is made up of water<br /><br />Hail can dent your car and break your windshield<br />Rain can clean your car and windshield<br />Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-18883991874183724152017-01-23T09:08:06.976-08:002017-01-23T09:08:06.976-08:00Nic: "I am simply incorrigible. I am forever ...Nic: "<i>I am simply incorrigible. I am forever typing in the wrong name when I reply lately. Sometimes I catch it, other times, like this, I miss it. I must be getting senile. Sorry to you both."</i><br /><br />Accidentally referring to Joe by my name can only be complimentary to him. Myself, on the other hand...:)William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-18763160518984046162017-01-23T09:01:28.141-08:002017-01-23T09:01:28.141-08:00wee willie:
There is a difference between a physic...wee willie:<br /><i>There is a difference between a physical "law" such as gravity that can be tested extensively to conclude that solid objects will always fall to earth, and extrapolating from intelligently made human codes to conclude that DNA is intelligently made.</i><br /><br />That codes only arise from intelligent agencies has been studied extensively. No one has ever observed nature producing such codes.<br /><br /><i>No, the next question we have to ask is whether the "code" we see in DNA is analogous to we human codes.</i><br /><br />Enter Larry Moran, no friend of ID- <a href="http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2007/02/real-genetic-code.html" rel="nofollow"><b>the real genetic code</b></a>. He just thinks nature can produce it even though he doesn't have a clue as to how. His is a deep faith.<br /><br />The genetic code isn't analogous to human codes, it is the same. It matches the definition perfectly and even <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code" rel="nofollow"><b>wikipedia lists it as a code</b></a> as being the same type as our codes.<br /><br />Everything written about the genetic code says that mRNA codons <b>represent</b> amino acids and that the relationship is arbitrary rather than physically/ chemically determined.<br /><br />The science has been done and the verdict in- the genetic code is a code in the same sense of our communication codes.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-78137082221628756222017-01-23T08:40:35.704-08:002017-01-23T08:40:35.704-08:00Nic: "How many times would you need to walk o...Nic: "<i>How many times would you need to walk off the edge of a tall building to conclude you do not float?"</i><br /><br />There is a difference between a physical "law" such as gravity that can be tested extensively to conclude that solid objects will always fall to earth, and extrapolating from intelligently made human codes to conclude that DNA is intelligently made.<br /><br />"<i>The obvious next question is, do we have any examples of codes arising from non-intelligent sources?"</i><br /><br />No, the next question we have to ask is whether the "code" we see in DNA is analogous to we human codes. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-32521701785591382152017-01-23T07:33:27.859-08:002017-01-23T07:33:27.859-08:00wee willie:
"Can you provide me with an exam...wee willie:<br /><i> "Can you provide me with an example of any code that is known to be caused by any intelligence other than human?"</i><br /><br />Why does that even matter? If it comes for an intelligence other than human it still comes for an intelligent agency.<br /><br />So what is your point, willie? make it, if you can. I doubt that you can, thoughJoe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-27031230622485670152017-01-23T06:47:54.856-08:002017-01-23T06:47:54.856-08:00Nic: " And that this source functions intelli...Nic: "<i> And that this source functions intelligently. (For the most part, anyway. Exceptions being often found at sporting events:)"<b>[And whoever Joe writes anything[</b></i><br /><br />William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.com