tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post6668166007563170943..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: The Kermit Gosnell Trial is Finishing UpUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-85742191925222363382013-05-05T10:40:25.562-07:002013-05-05T10:40:25.562-07:00Elijah2012 May 3, 2013 at 6:02 PM
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The fir...<i><b>Elijah2012</b> May 3, 2013 at 6:02 PM<br /><br />[...]<br /><br />The first part is iffy logically though. The fact that murder existed previous to an ideology does not exclude it from being a cause of present murders (or you can replace that with any other crimes). The fact that slavery in many places existed prior to slavery based on skin color/ethnicity does not mean that racism cannot be cited as a cause for slavery later in human history.</i><br /><br />I think we can make the case that the theory of evolution is not a necessary cause of abortion. It may have been argued as a sufficient cause by those looking to justify a decision possibly made on other grounds but that is no argument against the theory. Many advances in scientific knowledge can and have been applied to making weapons but does that mean we should not search for new knowledge in the first place?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11311738457332907931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-23985649536337614922013-05-04T17:22:26.819-07:002013-05-04T17:22:26.819-07:00Elijah2012
lol...on scientific natters your head ...<i>Elijah2012<br /><br />lol...on scientific natters your head has been handed to you many times. It wasn't but weeks ago you were arguing vociferously that cancer never has an inherited cause</i><br /><br />LOL! Now the clueless Creationist is going to resort to that favorite Creationist tactic - lying his ass off.<br /><br /><b>You're</b> the idiot who claimed cancer is inherited. I corrected you and pointed out it's the <b>susceptibility </b> to cancer that can be inherited, not the cancer itself. I also backed it up with multiple scientific papers and studies. All you did was repeat your same lie. <br /><br />I doubt you've ever read a scientific paper in your life. But like everything else you've posted here, you have to lie to make yourself feel better.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-29151465607850701752013-05-04T10:59:04.973-07:002013-05-04T10:59:04.973-07:00"I hope you don't become a moderator here..."I hope you don't become a moderator here."<br /><br />Sorry Eugen. Asking that there be moderation of cursing , name calling and slander in no logical universe implies I am campaigning for the job. I wouldn't have the time and having to read ALL the drivel everyday would not interest me in the leastElijah2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/02729894330690030276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-33885606625893900442013-05-04T08:41:20.797-07:002013-05-04T08:41:20.797-07:00"when you're still too much of a scientif..."when you're still too much of a scientifically ignorant knob to back up a single thing you say."<br /><br />lol...on scientific natters your head has been handed to you many times. It wasn't but weeks ago you were arguing vociferously that cancer never has an inherited cause.Elijah2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/02729894330690030276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-79260773216122348322013-05-04T06:09:27.817-07:002013-05-04T06:09:27.817-07:00Elijah
"I ask you to reconsider the decision...Elijah<br /><br />"I ask you to reconsider the decision of not modding or not getting someone to moderate."<br /><br />I hope you don't become a moderator here.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Day" rel="nofollow">May the 4th</a> be with you Jedi!<br /><br />Eugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-75918812540291219422013-05-03T23:19:26.135-07:002013-05-03T23:19:26.135-07:00Dennis Prager has a great 5min lesson about what i...Dennis Prager has a great 5min lesson about what is different about America. http://www.prageruniversity.com/Political-Science/The-American-Trinity.htmlMarcushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05905104887549850614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-75379349322672764992013-05-03T23:05:52.650-07:002013-05-03T23:05:52.650-07:00I agree National Velour, it's disgusting.I agree National Velour, it's disgusting. Marcushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05905104887549850614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-24468585415147735652013-05-03T18:49:41.531-07:002013-05-03T18:49:41.531-07:00[Continued]
Atheists like to argue about strawme...[Continued]<br /><br /><br /><i>Atheists like to argue about strawmen that want to establish a state run Christian church. Who is doing this? Give me their names. What is the name of their amendment and how many signatures do they have?</i><br /><br />They're few in number and relatively harmless, for the moment at leat. If you want a flavor, start with the Wikipedia entries on <i>Dominionism</i> and <i>Christian Reconstructionism</i><br /><br /><i>It isn't atheist groups who are working to secure the rights of the unborn. If you can name one, by all means inform us. It is primarily faith based groups that are working to secure their rights.</i><br /><br />I believe a lot of anti-abortionists are genuinely motivated by concern for the rights of the unborn. Unfortunately, the purity of that motivation is tainted in some by an almost medieval attitude towrds the role of women in the family and in society.<br /><br /><i>The best long term way for atheists to ensure their continued freedom to speak and believe what they want is to allow the Christian faith to flourish in the lives of those who choose it.</i><br /><br />I thought the numbers have shown for a long time that faith <i>is</i> flourishing in the US, which makes it so odd that Christians should be panicking about atheism's very modest gainsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11311738457332907931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-89421199470477838302013-05-03T18:44:44.301-07:002013-05-03T18:44:44.301-07:00Neal Tedford May 3, 2013 at 10:52 AM
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It m...<i><b>Neal Tedford</b> May 3, 2013 at 10:52 AM<br /><br />[...]<br /><br />It means freedom of religion. To believe or not to believe. </i><br /><br />That's right. And the only way to free of any religious oppression is to ensure that no one faith ever gets the upper hand in the body politic.<br /><br /><i>It does not mean one can't share their faith in the open or in public.</i><br /><br />Share, yes. Force, no.<br /><br />If someone <i>chooses</i> to go to a church or temple or mosque to take part in the services and listen to the sermons then that's fine.<br /><br />If, on the other hand, a child in school <i>has</i> to attend a morning assembly, sing Christian hymns and recite Christian prayers even though they don't believe in them then that's wrong.<br /><br /><i>It does not mean that anyone who claims to be offended has the right to silence someone elses faith.</i><br /><br />Absolutely right. There is not, nor should there be, any right not to be offended. This is why measures to prevent people of faith being offended by those who don't share that faith are a breach of human rights as well as being unconstitutional.<br /><br /><i>It does not mean that anti-God people can bully people of faith to exercise it only in secret or private.</i><br /><br />Quite right, although I don't actually see that happening. If anything the reverse has been true, that up until recently it is non-believers have had to keep very quiet about their atheism for fear of the consequences. As for practicing one's faith in private, you are no doubt familair with Matthew 6:5-6:<br /><br /><i>5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.<br /><br />6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.</i><br /><br /><i>It means that in this country if you don't want to believe you have the right to express yourself, seek converts, advertise... but not to shutdown the exercise of a faith you do not like. </i><br /><br />If the exercise of your faith involves coercion of others then it oversteps the bounds of free exercise. The natural limit of any right is where it infringes on the rights of others.<br /><br /><i>This freedom was written into the Bill of Rights by people of Christian faith who saw the value of freedom. This freedom did not come from the hands of atheists. The atheists hands created the utopian experiment of the former USSR - and we all know how that turned out. </i><br /><br />The Founding Fathers represented a range of beliefs. Some were devout Christians, others near-atheists. What they feared and were anxious to prevent was the sort of religious intolerance and oppression endemic in the Europe they'd left and which had spread to parts of the New World. Remember the treatment of Quakers by the Puritans of New England?<br /><br />[Continued]Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11311738457332907931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-52027743209466228432013-05-03T18:02:20.465-07:002013-05-03T18:02:20.465-07:00"Even if evolution has been enlisted as a jus..."Even if evolution has been enlisted as a justification for abortion it is simply opportunism, it commits the naturalistic fallacy and it has no bearing on whether the theory is good science."<br /><br />Actually I can agree with you on the second part. It has no bearing on whether the theory is good science. Thats a sound point. I'm pretty sure it is considered by C to be bad science on other grounds. However In fairness both sides open themselves up to moral arguments since many of the popularizers of religion AND Atheistic Evolution do make claims of moral supremacy in one shape or the other.<br /><br />The first part is iffy logically though. The fact that murder existed previous to an ideology does not exclude it from being a cause of present murders (or you can replace that with any other crimes). The fact that slavery in many places existed prior to slavery based on skin color/ethnicity does not mean that racism cannot be cited as a cause for slavery later in human history.Elijah2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/02729894330690030276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-23803362578807383092013-05-03T17:28:31.319-07:002013-05-03T17:28:31.319-07:00I believe that the right to life should extend bac...I believe that the right to life should extend back to conception so, on this at least,it's one of the rare cases where I agree with Dr Hunter.<br /><br />There is good evidence, however, that abortion was being practiced for thousands of years before Darwin published his theory. Even if evolution has been enlisted as a justification for abortion it is simply opportunism, it commits the naturalistic fallacy and it has no bearing on whether the theory is good science.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11311738457332907931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-10064721170016679192013-05-03T16:53:43.203-07:002013-05-03T16:53:43.203-07:00"LOL! Once again the cowardly ignoramus Fundy..."LOL! Once again the cowardly ignoramus Fundy whines for censorship. That's the only way his stupidity has any chance, if the scientifically knowledgeable posters are silenced."<br /><br />Well T if you are saying that the only way you can communicate is the way you do now then yes I will keep asking for C to clean up the blog. Cry whatever you like. You are just afraid he might wake up one day and realize your freedoms to post do not overrule the rights of his other visitors to not deal with your childish vile each day.<br /><br />I actually think a great many evolutionists here will do fine in an adult environment expressing their views like adults. Your anxiety though is understandable because it doesn't seem like you could survive without the name calling and insults. Your points are most of the time too weak to stand by themselves.Elijah2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/02729894330690030276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-38655862277089892162013-05-03T16:42:45.591-07:002013-05-03T16:42:45.591-07:00and T if I even did believe you were old enough t...and T if I even did believe you were old enough to be a professional scientist (Which I don't) you would be doing them no great service. You would only be a shining example of how some evolutionists are more guided by their hate than science.<br /><br />If I had a hanky I would lend it to you to clean the foam from your lips.<br /><br />You all have a great weekendElijah2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/02729894330690030276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-51210549108244063292013-05-03T16:40:30.633-07:002013-05-03T16:40:30.633-07:00LOL! Once again the cowardly ignoramus Fundy whin...LOL! Once again the cowardly ignoramus Fundy whines for censorship. That's the only way his stupidity has any chance, if the scientifically knowledgeable posters are silenced. Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-20376757178276320972013-05-03T16:36:39.776-07:002013-05-03T16:36:39.776-07:00"You can believe whatever you want on your ow..."You can believe whatever you want on your own time and in your own space but you can't force others to listen to your preaching."<br /><br />Oh the rich hypocritical irony of it all. An atheist day in and day out cursing and fuming on an ID blog claiming that forcing others to listen to dogma is ethically wrong.<br /><br />We should proselytize even more given this great example.<br /><br />Elijah2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/02729894330690030276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-26309191547880686942013-05-03T16:30:30.675-07:002013-05-03T16:30:30.675-07:00See Cornelius Thorton has been kind enough to giv...See Cornelius Thorton has been kind enough to give a perfect exhibit of the vile that is poured out on your blog day in and day out.<br /><br />True it might no longer bother us much because he so over does it that we have gotten use to it but consider new people who don't hear the shrill sound of the train everyday and night until they get used to it. Its no good for your blog or the people who come here to read it. No one need be banned but theres no doubt about it -Many posts need some cleaning up or deletion.<br />Elijah2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/02729894330690030276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-70115091209177045822013-05-03T16:21:30.659-07:002013-05-03T16:21:30.659-07:00The 'mainstream media' only seems to care ...The 'mainstream media' only seems to care about children who are murdered by guns, not children who had the backs of their necks cut by an abortion doctor. Their hypocrisy is astonishing. National Velourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15142359587875219081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-42626625794260126122013-05-03T16:01:36.510-07:002013-05-03T16:01:36.510-07:00LOL TWH. Read a little history and come back. Dic...LOL TWH. Read a little history and come back. Dictatorships, Communist states and yeah even hitler had some Darwinism going on. For you to claim that Darwin wasn't responsible for any violence just shows the silliness of your bias.<br /><br />What Violence did Jesus ever do but you indict all of christianity based on people who were not even following what he said. Yeah I read the Bible not cherry pick it like you hypocritically do son. I read the part where it says to do good to them that hate you and to love your enemies not blow them up but that doesn't stop you trained by talk origins and Richard Dawkins trying to lump Christianity all in one barrel with other religions because it suits your atheism to do so.<br /><br />SO be blessed my son. Be blessed. Elijah2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/02729894330690030276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-60322958119418603442013-05-03T15:17:59.379-07:002013-05-03T15:17:59.379-07:00TWT:
You always conveniently ignore the fact that...TWT:<br /><br /><i>You always conveniently ignore the fact that many religious people (creationists) accept that evolution occurs (yeah, even 'macroevolution').</i><br /><br />No, I don't ignore that. I cover that in this blog. But they don't "accept" evolution, they mandate evolution. And they don't call themselves "creationists" as you do.<br /><br /><br /><i>Doesn't that mean that they're "evolutionists"?</i><br /><br />Yes.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-37161009459529897472013-05-03T15:03:25.546-07:002013-05-03T15:03:25.546-07:00elijah said:
"In the short time here I have ...elijah said:<br /><br />"In the short time here I have seen SEVERAL attacks on Theist IDist here claiming religion is responsible for various acts of violence without a peep from any of you."<br /><br />Religion is responsible for various acts of violence. Just ask the people of Boston, New York, the middle east, catholic boys, etc., and read the bible, the koran, etc. Darwin is not responsible for any acts of violence, unless of course any acts of violence he may have committed on living things to 'collect' them are considered, but that's not what is being argued here. The whole truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219999357041824471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-10125067896709663922013-05-03T14:40:24.495-07:002013-05-03T14:40:24.495-07:00Tell me, Cornelius, how many creationists have got...Tell me, Cornelius, how many creationists have gotten voluntary abortions?<br /><br />Since all religious people are creationists*, and since most of the people on Earth are religious, and since it's EXTREMELY unlikely that most or all of the women who have gotten voluntary abortions are atheists (what you mean by "evolutionists") there must be A LOT of god believers (creationists) getting voluntary abortions.<br /><br />You always conveniently ignore the fact that many religious people (creationists) accept that evolution occurs (yeah, even 'macroevolution'). Doesn't that mean that they're "evolutionists"? <br /><br />The so-called 'ID movement' that you're a part of also claims to accept that evolution occurs (at least 'microevolution') but that it is 'designed'. Why are you part of a 'movement' that accepts any form of evolution or evolutionary thought if evolution or evolutionary thought leads to abortion and eugenics?<br /><br />And will you please learn the difference between evolution and the theory of evolution. You constantly mix them as though they're the same thing. <br /><br />*Anyone who believes that there is a creator (aka god, designer, etc.) is a creationist. The whole truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219999357041824471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-33876142950494055142013-05-03T13:47:47.756-07:002013-05-03T13:47:47.756-07:00oleg:
With this, Cornelius, you have stepped over...oleg:<br /><br /><i>With this, Cornelius, you have stepped over the line. You, Sir, are a dishonest hack.</i><br /><br />I wish. The influences from evolutionary thought to eugenics and abortion are clear. Tell me, how many creationists are pro-abortion?Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-27215434526544178922013-05-03T13:15:14.584-07:002013-05-03T13:15:14.584-07:00Tedford the Slow
It means freedom of religion. To...<i>Tedford the Slow<br /><br />It means freedom of religion. To believe or not to believe. It does not mean one can't share their faith in the open or in public</i><br /><br />No idiot, freedom of religion <b>doesn't</b> give you the right to proselytize to others as much as you want whenever you want, especially to fellow employes while they are on the job. Just like freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater.<br /><br />That is what the military rules against Godbothering are about. You can believe whatever you want <b>on your own time and in your own space</b> but you can't force others to listen to your preaching. This is especially true in the military where such actions risk damaging critical group cohesion and unity.<br /><br />Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-81083211137531268792013-05-03T12:54:48.319-07:002013-05-03T12:54:48.319-07:00Elijah2012
I've never been for the freedom to...<i>Elijah2012<br /><br />I've never been for the freedom to insult people and name call </i><br /><br />Yet that's all Creationists like you and Tedford do, continually. It's a <b>huge</b> insult to both me and my professional colleagues when scientifically ignorant asses like you call us incompetent, or liars, or deliberate frauds in our work day in and day out. You Fundy asses think if you use <i>nice polite language</i> that somehow OKs the lies ,the quote-mining, the cowardly evasion of questions that are your stock and trade.<br /><br />People have tried engaging both of you scientifically illiterate turds on technical topics but you're both way too ignorant to even begin. So cry us a river about how you guys are the victims of insults and harsh language. You jerks are every bit as obscene and insulting with your constant stream of Creationist misrepresentations and outright lies.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-35548066682529718912013-05-03T11:39:20.983-07:002013-05-03T11:39:20.983-07:00Elijah,
Finding a true "goo to you" evo...Elijah,<br /><br />Finding a true "goo to you" evolutionist that desires to discuss their faith and that doesn't end up calling names is rare. They do exist, but rare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com