tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post5759057688794922816..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Jason Rosenhouse: “I Think You Get the Idea”Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-43291171627521134182016-02-05T08:22:53.302-08:002016-02-05T08:22:53.302-08:00Of course evolution theory is science. The fact of...Of course evolution theory is science. The fact of evolution has implications, certainly for those who, like me, learned that we were specially created by a supernatural entity that had us in mind. Finding out that we are not specially created, that laws of nature did not have us in mind as outcome, that is a revelation.Ed Vaessenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02905973956978663049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-9524374720281637162016-02-04T18:12:44.676-08:002016-02-04T18:12:44.676-08:00Ruse seems to be saying that Darwinism has implica...Ruse seems to be saying that Darwinism has implications for epistemology, ethics, and philosophy of mind, and it's any one person's choice as to whether one applies it to these things making it religious in nature. Sometimes Ruse seems to hold a position bordering on presuppositionalism, as to whether one's belief in Darwinism follows from assumptions one makes about the world. But the choices one makes about such assumptions is somewhat religious in nature. Ruse has elsewhere implied that Darwinists have routinely used the university to blur the line between Darwinism as explanation for patterns and Darwinism as religion, which is why many of his fellow Darwinists have turned on him, since it only begs the question why they can use tax dollars in a public institution to promote a view of mind, cosmos, and purpose based in evolutionary materialism. Sure, you could be an ID advocate like Asa Gray or a miracle-believing antisupernaturalist like Ken Miller (or whatever you call it). After all, why would a viewpoint only supposing "natural" causes lead to a Weltanschauung in which there are only "natural" causes? How silly to think it does! <br /><br />Sure, the evolutionary story is the latest creation myth--it's advocates assure us that unlike other myths it is in fact the truth, not infallible but unquestionable, does not have religious implications about who we are and what our place in creation is (unless of course that's what an individual professor chooses to believe and teach, and is the only truth that can be taught with public funds by order of supreme unelected lawmakers. <br /><br />Ruse is great at infuriating his peers by sounding like a postmodernist. He's a postmodernist until it is a matter of whose truth will be taught and whose truth will be questioned in the classroom. Tertium Quidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11101541218439239169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-30349769544361696032015-12-29T08:11:44.700-08:002015-12-29T08:11:44.700-08:00"Ruse: "So the answer to the question &q..."Ruse: "So the answer to the question "Is Darwinism a religion?" is varied, interesting and insightful. But I bet a million dollars that for the next 10 years it will be the first paragraph and only the first paragraph of this piece that will be quoted and requoted by those who are more interested in using my words for their own ends rather than for understanding what I am really trying to say. "<br /><br />Is Darwinism a Religion? Michael Ruse"<br /><br />I can imagine Ruse being a bit annoyed when he said that...<br />I wonder what Darwin would have said, had he known that his famous text about the eye would have been selectively quoted by creationists to this very day.<br /><br />Sadly, creationism is not science. It is a religious/political movement that has nothing to offer but rethorics.<br />Ed Vaessenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02905973956978663049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-27663506861395671982015-12-23T07:58:57.830-08:002015-12-23T07:58:57.830-08:00"This is so ridiculous and Jack is so obvious..."This is so ridiculous and Jack is so obviously correct! The first paragraph by Mike Ruse is a resume of his conclusion; then he goes an entire article with explanations, nuances and qualifications; which is fair enough, but does not disqualify the main message. His final warning could read "... And any creationist that uses my words in a argument should be damned and must be cursed as "quote-miner."<br /><br /><br />Well said Renato.Jack Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03926842814598510236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-42045540038887886882015-12-23T07:58:02.158-08:002015-12-23T07:58:02.158-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jack Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03926842814598510236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-64821843504462788452015-12-23T07:49:06.367-08:002015-12-23T07:49:06.367-08:00ghostrider "You mean that you didn't like...ghostrider "You mean that you didn't like the fact that I made hay with your moment of honesty."<br /><br />I didn't see Mike trim the sentences of Ruse. <br /><br />Evolutionists have a habit of false comparison so it must be ingrained.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />ghostrider "Sure is different when you're the guy being quote-mined and misrepresented, isn't it?"<br /><br />Let's break that down in to two parts.<br /><br />1. Sure is different.<br /><br />It certainly is. You resort to the term "quote mine" when you cannot disprove any quotes. I on the other hand use the specific phrase out of context because it can be shown than I have been taken out of context.<br /><br />You on the other hand cannot show ruse being taken out of context and thus you resort to the term "quote mine" in desperation. <br /><br /><br /><br /> 2. "when you're the guy being quote-mined"<br /><br />I never claimed being quote mined, I do not endorse the use of that phrase, it is a term used by Desperado's like you when they cannot show anything wrong with quotes.<br /><br />3 "and misrepresented, isn't it?"<br /><br />We can use the term misrepresented and the term out of context when it comes to your quote of me, these are specific terms to show how somebody has misused quotes. <br /><br />You on the other hand resort to the sophomoric phrase "quote mine" because you are unable to show anything wrong with the quotes being posted.<br /><br />The term quote mine is reserved for Desperado's like you.<br /><br />:)<br /><br />Jack Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03926842814598510236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-85972471962293425772015-12-22T02:49:10.324-08:002015-12-22T02:49:10.324-08:00This is so ridiculous and Jack is so obviously cor...This is so ridiculous and Jack is so obviously correct! The first paragraph by Mike Ruse is a resume of his conclusion; then he goes an entire article with explanations, nuances and qualifications; which is fair enough, but does not disqualify the main message. His final warning could read "... And any creationist that uses my words in a argument should be damned and must be cursed as "quote-miner."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05630080950604846127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-2910100490961177682015-12-21T12:20:58.139-08:002015-12-21T12:20:58.139-08:00Jack Jones
ghostrider "See how easy it is to...<i>Jack Jones<br /><br />ghostrider "See how easy it is to create a false impression by quote-mining?"<br /><br />I would say it is out of context because I can show my words and the trimmed version of my words side by side.</i><br /><br />You mean that you didn't like the fact that I made hay with your moment of honesty.<br /><br />:D<br /><br /><br />Sure is different when <b>you're</b> the guy being quote-mined and misrepresented, isn't it?Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-33211755077863984962015-12-21T09:00:18.736-08:002015-12-21T09:00:18.736-08:00ghostrider "See how easy it is to create a fa...<br />ghostrider "See how easy it is to create a false impression by quote-mining?"<br /><br />I would say it is out of context because I can show my words and the trimmed version of my words side by side.<br /><br />When Evolutionists can't do this then they resort to using the term "quote mine"<br /><br /><br />Evolutionists more often than not cannot show quotes out of context so they do not say "out of context" and then show it, they rely on the term "quote mine" Quote mine is a phrase that hand waves away quotes that cannot be refuted.<br /><br /> That's why dishonest Evolutionists love to use the term so much.Jack Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03926842814598510236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-69143542512751768132015-12-21T08:47:35.755-08:002015-12-21T08:47:35.755-08:00Zach "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_o...<br />Zach "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context"<br /><br />If something is out of context then people say "out of context" and show it is out of context, When they can't show something is out of context then they quote whine instead.<br /><br />Zach "Typically, quote-mines are collected and reposted, often with typos intact and other distinctive features intact."<br /><br />Quote whines are resorted to when a quote cannot be refuted, If a person can show a problem then they do, When they can't, then they resort to quote whining with the term "quote mineJack Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03926842814598510236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-54998704980262888482015-12-21T08:46:35.609-08:002015-12-21T08:46:35.609-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jack Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03926842814598510236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-62407874979044997902015-12-21T08:45:27.948-08:002015-12-21T08:45:27.948-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jack Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03926842814598510236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-69198150621716994072015-12-21T08:17:55.699-08:002015-12-21T08:17:55.699-08:00Jack Jones
ghostrider... the quote from Mike... i...<i>Jack Jones<br /><br />ghostrider... the quote from Mike... is out of context.</i><br /><br />Glad you agree. :)<br /><br />See how easy it is to create a false impression by quote-mining? That's why dishonest Creationists love to do it so much.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-64654717675664993762015-12-21T08:09:45.816-08:002015-12-21T08:09:45.816-08:00Jack Jones: What does "quite-mined" Mean...<b>Jack Jones</b>: <i>What does "quite-mined" Mean?</i><br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context<br /><br />Typically, quote-mines are collected and reposted, often with typos intact and other distinctive features intact. <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-61741464302700679262015-12-21T07:59:29.950-08:002015-12-21T07:59:29.950-08:00"Sorry Mike but that is indeed an out-of-cont..."Sorry Mike but that is indeed an out-of-context"<br /><br />Sorry ghostrider but you failed to show the quote from Mike is out of context.<br /><br /><br /> "quite-mined quote."<br /><br />What does "quite-mined" Mean?<br /><br /><br />" Ruse himself, like S.J. Gould, got so tired of Creationists misquoting him he wrote a whole other article explaining what he meant."<br /><br />Where was Gould misquoted?<br /><br />I haven't seen Ruse misquoted yet either.<br /><br /><br />"He even pointed out he expected Creationists to ignore this clarification"<br /><br />You mean that Ruse didn't like the fact that they made hay with his moment of honesty.<br /><br /> "and keep quote-mining him."<br /><br />I see that you continue to quote whine. You have failed to show anything else.<br />Jack Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03926842814598510236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-64521012077083905432015-12-20T22:32:14.259-08:002015-12-20T22:32:14.259-08:00if evolutionists had biological scientific evidenc...if evolutionists had biological scientific evidence for evolution it would be presented. So where is it?<br />Instead they present TRIVIAL foreign evidences <br />WELL this Rosenhouse guy only needs to present his number favorite bio sci evidence and have a cage matcj, if he knows what that means, with a creationist on whether it is bio sci evidence.<br />It should be so trivial easy to defeat criticisms of evolution.<br />How are they doing?Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-49672231706059871442015-12-20T21:00:48.691-08:002015-12-20T21:00:48.691-08:00I "mined" this jewel after reading your ...<i>I "mined" this jewel after reading your insightful blog. A confirmation from the evolutionist camp. </i><br /><br />Sorry Mike but that is indeed an out-of-context quite-mined quote. Ruse himself, like S.J. Gould, got so tired of Creationists misquoting him he wrote a whole other article explaining what he meant.<br /><br /><i>Ruse: "Is evolution, Darwinian evolution in particular, a religion? To sound like the philosopher that I am, it all depends on what you mean by "religion." <br /><br />So, what about Darwinism? I don't think believing that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution through natural selection (his version or today's version) commits you to religious belief. I think that if, as I myself would, you extend the scope of the theory to an understanding of knowledge acquisition and justification and the same for morality -- evolutionary epistemology and evolutionary ethics -- then it can act as a religion substitute or alternative.</i><br /><br />He even pointed out he expected Creationists to ignore this clarification and keep quote-mining him.<br /><br /><i>Ruse: "So the answer to the question "Is Darwinism a religion?" is varied, interesting and insightful. But I bet a million dollars that for the next 10 years it will be the first paragraph and only the first paragraph of this piece that will be quoted and requoted by those who are more interested in using my words for their own ends rather than for understanding what I am really trying to say. "</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-ruse/is-darwinism-a-religion_b_904828.html" rel="nofollow">Is Darwinism a Religion? Michael Ruse</a><br /><br />Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-23233989123117200662015-12-20T19:21:06.093-08:002015-12-20T19:21:06.093-08:00Phillymike:
Professor Ruse is an expert in this f...Phillymike:<br /><br />Professor Ruse is an expert in this field, for sure, but I do not agree that evolution is advanced as an alternative to Christianity. Christians have promoted naturalism for centuries, and evolution today, very much as consistent with Christianity. It would be difficult to defend the notion that evolutionary thought arose as an alternative to Christianity.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-37564320993698823542015-12-20T18:19:41.443-08:002015-12-20T18:19:41.443-08:00I "mined" this jewel after reading your ...I "mined" this jewel after reading your insightful blog. A confirmation from the evolutionist camp. <br /><br />“Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion—a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. I am an ardent evolutionist and an ex-Christian, but I must admit in this one complaint… the literalists [i.e., creationists] are absolutely right. Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.”<br />Michael RusePhillymikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11074043605165238761noreply@blogger.com