tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post5558197285317722828..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Repetitive Elements: Evolution Has a Toolkit, And Several Other FindingsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-79308865529799094012017-01-27T10:21:05.190-08:002017-01-27T10:21:05.190-08:00It is sad that I have to spell out to you
We at D...<i>It is sad that I have to spell out to you</i><br /><br />We at Darwin’s God certainly do not want to be the cause of any depression experienced by evolutionists. But, I’m afraid facts are facts.<br /><br /><br /><i>So, yes, mutations are at the root of evolution. But mutations are not limited to point mutations. Anything that changes the sequence of DNA is a mutation (e.g., inversions, insertions, duplication, etc.) and increases the genetic variation in a population.</i><br /><br />Except that nothing we said was limited to point mutations. You have a basic, fundamental mischaracterization of the theory, thus avoiding the rather inconvenient fact that, according to the theory, natural selection (or drift, or whatever “mechanisms” you can or will imagine) do not and cannot induce fitness-improving change. All biological variation must be random with respect to fitness. Every single mutation, from molecule to man must have been random.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-20433355381316152932017-01-26T07:22:08.562-08:002017-01-26T07:22:08.562-08:00wee willie:
Anyone who can read
That leaves you ...wee willie:<br /><i>Anyone who can read </i><br /><br />That leaves you outJoe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-61801371483413423232017-01-25T20:10:50.472-08:002017-01-25T20:10:50.472-08:00Joke: "That is your desperate and ignorant op...Joke: "<i>That is your desperate and ignorant opinion. Too bad you can't support it."</i><br /><br />Anyone who can read can see that you don't understand what "water", "wavelength", "frequency" or "lie" mean. <br />William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-83874225375034371672017-01-25T17:10:47.510-08:002017-01-25T17:10:47.510-08:00wee willie:
You have a strange idea of what the ve...wee willie:<br /><i>You have a strange idea of what the verb "drive" means. </i><br /><br />That is your desperate and ignorant opinion. Too bad you can't support it.<br /> <br />But hey given that you think a molecular code turns water into ice at zero C, it is clear that you haven't a clue.<br />Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-36975948888990508622017-01-25T16:08:29.062-08:002017-01-25T16:08:29.062-08:00Joke: "Variation drives everything as there c...Joke: "<i>Variation drives everything as there cannot be natural selection, drift or change without it. No change no evolution."</i><br /><br />You have a strange idea of what the verb "drive" means. But given that you don't understand what "water", "Wavelength", "Frequency", or "lie" means, I am not surprised. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-3146348695177305802017-01-25T15:57:50.928-08:002017-01-25T15:57:50.928-08:00LoL! "Random with respect to fitness" is...LoL! "Random with respect to fitness" is meaningless drivel. According to Mayr they are random as in happenstance occurrences. According to evolutionary biology all mutations are accidents, errors and mistakes.<br /><br />Variation drives everything as there cannot be natural selection, drift or change without it. No change no evolution.<br /><br /><br />Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-1269611650876334382017-01-25T15:05:56.935-08:002017-01-25T15:05:56.935-08:00Joke: "According to evolutionism all mutation...Joke: "<i>According to evolutionism all mutations are random,..."</i><br /><br />No. Random with respect to fitness. <br /><br />"<i>Variation drives everything and according to evolutionism that variation is random."</i><br /><br />Variation drives nothing. Without selection and drift it is just variation. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-22680846087364571422017-01-25T11:53:32.472-08:002017-01-25T11:53:32.472-08:00According to evolutionism all mutations are random...According to evolutionism all mutations are random, as in happenstance, occurrences. Natural selection is just one way to cull the less fit and keep the fit enough.<br /><br />Variation drives everything and according to evolutionism that variation is random.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-51972988323336241162017-01-25T09:07:01.064-08:002017-01-25T09:07:01.064-08:00CH: "Or, you actually could try spelling it o...CH: "<i>Or, you actually could try spelling it out, rather than making vague claims with a most suspicious brevity."</i><br /><br />It is sad that I have to spell out to you something that is obvious to anyone who understands evolution.<br /><br />When someone says that something is at the root of something, they are saying that it is a fundamental requirement, not that it is the only mechanism involved. Without mutations, variation couldn't increase and selection would have nothing to act on. So, yes, mutations are at the root of evolution. But mutations are not limited to point mutations. Anything that changes the sequence of DNA is a mutation (e.g., inversions, insertions, duplication, etc.) and increases the genetic variation in a population. And once you have that variation, mechanisms such as drift and selection can take place.William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-91237053853433617232017-01-24T22:53:14.078-08:002017-01-24T22:53:14.078-08:00Or, you actually could try spelling it out, rather...Or, you actually could try spelling it out, rather than making vague claims with a most suspicious brevity.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-24629016001465167132017-01-24T20:11:26.005-08:002017-01-24T20:11:26.005-08:00CH: "I think you swung and missed."
Whi...CH: "<i>I think you swung and missed."</i><br /><br />Which just proves my point. Anyone with a reasonable understanding of evolution would understand how you are misrepresenting (or completely misunderstanding) what is being said in these two quotes. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-21489757313171959232017-01-24T19:59:42.136-08:002017-01-24T19:59:42.136-08:00Do you notice what both of these quotes have in co...<i>Do you notice what both of these quotes have in common? And why your original statement is misrepresenting what they are saying?</i><br /><br />What they both have in common is a clear statement of evolutionary theory. I think you swung and missed.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-4003646952826263192017-01-24T05:59:35.055-08:002017-01-24T05:59:35.055-08:00You said something about a theory:
If anything, m...You said something about a theory:<br /><br /><i>If anything, my modification of your statement is less of a misrepresentation of cosmological theory than yours is of evolutionary theory. </i><br /><br />Just below. You really have to keep up with what you post and stop being such an obtuse jerkJoe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-25243012894077267952017-01-24T04:54:29.185-08:002017-01-24T04:54:29.185-08:00LoL! If you don't have a scientific theory the...LoL! If you don't have a scientific theory then you don't have anything to complain about. That is because no one has a good enough understanding of evolution to formulate one.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-72979819202021073722017-01-23T21:05:42.310-08:002017-01-23T21:05:42.310-08:00Joke: "Please link to the scientific theory o...Joke: "<i>Please link to the scientific theory of evolution so we can all see what it actaually says."</i><br /><br />Who said anything about a theory? You really have to keep up with the discussion and stop going off on bizarre tangents. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-13771697814201411072017-01-23T19:43:17.431-08:002017-01-23T19:43:17.431-08:00Ghostrider: Evolution is a process with random com...Ghostrider: Evolution is a process with random components (genetic variation, neutral drift) and a non-random component, selection. <br /><br />But the non-random component can do nothing until the random components build something, right? So it would be random actions doing the actual building, like Dr. Hunter said, right? Besides, you can see from the evolutionist scientists he quoted and many he didn't quote that his comment was on par with what they themselves say.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17597976104041212414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-1606337013349726122017-01-23T14:26:31.807-08:002017-01-23T14:26:31.807-08:00Please link to the scientific theory of evolution ...Please link to the scientific theory of evolution so we can all see what it actaually saysJoe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-79503977679479484262017-01-23T14:02:00.526-08:002017-01-23T14:02:00.526-08:00"Pure chance, absolutely free but blind, at t..."<i>Pure chance, absolutely free but blind, at the very root of the stupendous edifice of evolution:"</i><br /><br />"<i>We’re all here because of mutations. Random changes in genes are what creates variety in a species, and this is what allows it to adapt to new environments and eventually evolve into completely new species."</i><br /><br />Do you notice what both of these quotes have in common? And why your original statement is misrepresenting what they are saying?<br /><br />Let's try modifying your statement. <br /><br />"<i><b>...random Hydrogen atoms are precisely what built the world."</b></i><br /><br />If anything, my modification of your statement is less of a misrepresentation of cosmological theory than yours is of evolutionary theory. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-23113813949033218172017-01-23T11:56:24.603-08:002017-01-23T11:56:24.603-08:00MB: "What exactly has been misrepresented?&qu...MB: "<i>What exactly has been misrepresented?"</i><br /><br />The statement that "<i>...<b>random actions are precisely what built the world."</b></i> Anyone who thinks that this is what evolutionary biologists are claiming does not understand anything about evolution. <br />William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-70640235380018967122017-01-22T21:00:11.628-08:002017-01-22T21:00:11.628-08:00Random mutations culled by natural selection are s...Random mutations culled by natural selection are still random mutations and the heart of evolutionism. Natural selection is non-random only in that not every variant has the same probability of survival. And it's an after-the-fact assessment (natural selection is a result).<br /><br />It is all just whatever is good enough to survive may get the chance to mate and reproduce. Contingent serendipity to the core.<br /><br />So, the misrepresentation would be to say natural selection is anything other than that- just one way genetic accidents, errors and mistakes get culled/ accumulate. Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-52117936369655808502017-01-22T19:26:50.859-08:002017-01-22T19:26:50.859-08:00The idea that evolution is "just luck" i...<i>The idea that evolution is "just luck" is a canard.</i><br /><br />Ohhh what a beautiful own goal.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-85818853969826200592017-01-22T19:15:24.951-08:002017-01-22T19:15:24.951-08:00We’re all here because of mutations. Random change...<i>We’re all here because of mutations. Random changes in genes are what creates variety in a species, and this is what allows it to adapt to new environments and eventually evolve into completely new species. -- Jernej Ule</i>Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-8949078535676054032017-01-22T19:14:29.853-08:002017-01-22T19:14:29.853-08:00chance alone is at the source of every innovation,...<i>chance alone is at the source of every innovation, of all creation in the biosphere. Pure chance, absolutely free but blind, at the very root of the stupendous edifice of evolution: this central concept of modern biology is no longer one among other possible or even conceivable hypotheses. It is today the sole conceivable hypothesis, the only one that squares with observed and tested fact. And nothing warrants the supposition—or the hope—that on this score our position is likely ever to be revised. -- Nobel Laureate Jacques Monod</i>Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-44799688722352394622017-01-22T19:14:28.527-08:002017-01-22T19:14:28.527-08:00Mike Boll
What exactly has been misrepresented?
...<i>Mike Boll<br /><br />What exactly has been misrepresented? </i><br /><br />The idea that evolution is "just luck" is a canard. Evolution is a process with random components (genetic variation, neutral drift) and a non-random component, selection. <br /><br />Misrepresenting evolution as being "just dumb luck" is a pretty common creationist lie on internet C/E sites.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-35882245871360724862017-01-22T19:03:02.334-08:002017-01-22T19:03:02.334-08:00What exactly has been misrepresented? What exactly has been misrepresented? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17597976104041212414noreply@blogger.com