tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post5535139684151566807..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Biological Control of Cell Membrane Structural PropertiesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger139125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-38467086163308210052011-06-15T04:40:23.076-07:002011-06-15T04:40:23.076-07:00natschuster: And how was the replication of the re...<b>natschuster</b>: <i>And how was the replication of the replicator and the splitting of the fatty acid vesicle coordinated? </i><br /><br />They don't have to be directly coordinated. As long as there are large numbers of replicators scattered within each vesicle, then each daughter will inherit some. Also, the incorporation of nucleotides will tend to swell the vesicle leading to instability. But it might have been a more continuous process, such as the vent forcing excrusion through mineral pores.Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11268229653808829377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-33678816008191463712011-06-14T18:24:17.427-07:002011-06-14T18:24:17.427-07:00natschuster said...
I"m not looking for ...<i>natschuster said...<br /><br /> I"m not looking for buzzwords. I'm not intersting in quote mining. I'm looking for a mechanism to co-ordinate cleavage. </i><br /><br />Right. That's why you didn't bother to read the whole paper, and why you never noticed / didn't research the 50 or so references to other papers including work on vesicle division. Because you're looking for DA TRUTH!<br /><br />You and Tedford make quite the pair.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-3959210714116249222011-06-14T17:59:57.905-07:002011-06-14T17:59:57.905-07:00I"m not looking for buzzwords. I'm not in...I"m not looking for buzzwords. I'm not intersting in quote mining. I'm looking for a mechanism to co-ordinate cleavage. The cleavage of a membrane and the replication of the replicator has to co-ordinate somehow. In cells it is done by a complex system of proteins and such. But those didn't exist in proto-cells.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-85076324166336413062011-06-14T17:24:17.044-07:002011-06-14T17:24:17.044-07:00natschuster said...
Thorton:
I scanned t...<i>natschuster said...<br /><br /> Thorton:<br /><br /> I scanned the article. I was looking for mention of how the cleavage of the vesicle would be co-ordinated with replication. I didn't see any mention.</i><br /><br />Right, just like all creationists. Instead of actually <b>reading</b> the article and trying to understand the work you skimmed for buzzwords and snippets to quote-mine.<br /><br />That's why you'll stay an ignorant fool your whole life.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-82166108666767009452011-06-14T16:49:57.415-07:002011-06-14T16:49:57.415-07:00Thorton:
I scanned the article. I was looking for...Thorton:<br /><br />I scanned the article. I was looking for mention of how the cleavage of the vesicle would be co-ordinated with replication. I didn't see any mention.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-849100227202272152011-06-14T15:16:03.675-07:002011-06-14T15:16:03.675-07:00And in primordial times, there was far more geolog...And in primordial times, there was far more geological activity.Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11268229653808829377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-49633959762060163372011-06-14T13:29:29.527-07:002011-06-14T13:29:29.527-07:00Blas: And there the hydrothermal vents are ...
in ...<b>Blas</b>: <i>And there the hydrothermal vents are ...<br />in the place the actual abiogenesis theory needs. </i><br /><br />Your point isn't clear. Hydrothermal vents can be found in many geologically active areas.Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11268229653808829377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-45143578406673418682011-06-14T12:50:37.829-07:002011-06-14T12:50:37.829-07:00natschuster said...
Thorton:
Thanks for ...<i>natschuster said...<br /><br /> Thorton:<br /><br /> Thanks for the freebee. I didn't see anything on the paper about co-ordinating cleavage. I guess its just another case of us getting lucky.</i><br /><br />You're welcome.<br /><br />Interesting that you claim to have read and understood the paper in the less than one hour since I posted the link to it.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-74308573518569121492011-06-14T12:44:27.438-07:002011-06-14T12:44:27.438-07:00Thorton:
Thanks for the freebee. I didn't see...Thorton:<br /><br />Thanks for the freebee. I didn't see anything on the paper about co-ordinating cleavage. I guess its just another case of us getting lucky.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-45388327207198519252011-06-14T12:17:56.777-07:002011-06-14T12:17:56.777-07:00Blas said...
Thorton:"Why don't you ...<i>Blas said...<br /><br /> Thorton:"Why don't you break with tradition and give a straight one."<br /><br /> I give you one, but you do not understand by science the same I do.</i><br /><br />LOL! Why don't you audition for <i>Dancing With The Stars?</i> The IDiot evasion tap dance you do would certainly take a prize.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-3792496779557090812011-06-14T12:14:02.983-07:002011-06-14T12:14:02.983-07:00Thorton:"Why don't you break with traditi...Thorton:"Why don't you break with tradition and give a straight one."<br /><br />I give you one, but you do not understand by science the same I do.Blashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205610477389739651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-81944040579512119922011-06-14T12:13:00.244-07:002011-06-14T12:13:00.244-07:00Zachriel:"There are all sorts of natural mech...Zachriel:"There are all sorts of natural mechanisms for concentrating compounds. A salt flat is a concentration of salt. How did all that salt end up in one place? <br />http://www.rutaverdebolivia.com/Uyuni%20Salt%20Lake%202.jpg"<br /><br />And there the hydrothermal vents are ...<br />in the place the actual abiogenesis theory needs.Blashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205610477389739651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-17321910177481294982011-06-14T12:08:08.802-07:002011-06-14T12:08:08.802-07:00Blas said...
Thorton:"Blas said...
...<i>Blas said...<br /><br /> Thorton:"Blas said...<br /><br /> Thorton:"If you reject abiogenesis and you're not an ID supporter, what else is left?"<br /><br /> Aknoledge that science has not all the answers.<br /><br /> That still didn't answer the question. Why is it so hard to get a straight answer from you?<br /><br /><br /> You want a scientific answer or a metaphisical one?</i><br /><br />Why don't you break with tradition and give a <b>straight</b> one.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-34025396208235042632011-06-14T11:58:34.021-07:002011-06-14T11:58:34.021-07:00Neal Tedford: Where's the myristoleic acid and...<b>Neal Tedford</b>: <i>Where's the myristoleic acid and glycerol monoester? </i><br /><br />Myristoleic acid is a C14 chain, so is well-within plausibility for hydrothermal vents. In any case, the stability of the vesicle is dependent on chain length and concentration, so it doesn't have to be a myristoleic acid. The ester is derived from the fatty acid.<br /><br /><b>natschuster</b>: <i>And how was the replication of the replicator and the splitting of the fatty acid vesicle coordinated? </i><br /><br />They don't have to be directly coordinated. As long as there are large numbers scattered within each vesicle, then each daughter will inherit some. Also, the incorporation of nucleotides will tend to swell the vesicle. But it might have been a more continuous process, such as the vent forcing excrusion through mineral pores. <br /><br /><b>Blas</b>: <i>No, I can´t immagine a concentration of fatty acids in a thermal vent and I am not an ID supporter. </i><br /><br />There are all sorts of natural mechanisms for concentrating compounds. A salt flat is a concentration of salt. How did all that salt end up in one place? <br />http://www.rutaverdebolivia.com/Uyuni%20Salt%20Lake%202.jpgZachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11268229653808829377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-4380763900047813672011-06-14T11:53:21.016-07:002011-06-14T11:53:21.016-07:00Thorton:"Blas said...
Thorton:"If you r...Thorton:"Blas said...<br /><br />Thorton:"If you reject abiogenesis and you're not an ID supporter, what else is left?"<br /><br />Aknoledge that science has not all the answers.<br /><br />That still didn't answer the question. Why is it so hard to get a straight answer from you?<br /><br /><br />You want a scientific answer or a metaphisical one?Blashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205610477389739651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-42976140785102763862011-06-14T11:49:48.695-07:002011-06-14T11:49:48.695-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-32149104638726783232011-06-14T11:45:55.567-07:002011-06-14T11:45:55.567-07:00Blas said...
Thorton:"If you reject abio...<i>Blas said...<br /><br /> Thorton:"If you reject abiogenesis and you're not an ID supporter, what else is left?"<br /><br /> Aknoledge that science has not all the answers.</i><br /><br />That still didn't answer the question. Why is it so hard to get a straight answer from you?Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-50489344629412117512011-06-14T10:38:49.115-07:002011-06-14T10:38:49.115-07:00I did a google search on protocells. I couldn'...I did a google search on protocells. I couldn't find anyone discussing how replication and the division of the vesicle could be co-ordinated. I guess it is another case of us just being really, really lucky.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-87273568204694705282011-06-14T10:26:03.766-07:002011-06-14T10:26:03.766-07:00The papers are behind a paywall, and I'm a lit...The papers are behind a paywall, and I'm a little embarrased financially now. That's why I'm asking. I guess it will just have to wait.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-57782177757050814312011-06-14T10:26:03.531-07:002011-06-14T10:26:03.531-07:00Thorton:"If you reject abiogenesis and you...Thorton:"If you reject abiogenesis and you're not an ID supporter, what else is left?"<br /><br />Aknoledge that science has not all the answers.Blashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205610477389739651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-7968218521074337362011-06-14T10:15:43.446-07:002011-06-14T10:15:43.446-07:00Blas said...
Thorton:"Right. You reject ...<i>Blas said...<br /><br /> Thorton:"Right. You reject abiogenesis and you're not an ID supporter."<br /><br /> Why do you think I reject abiogenesis?</i><br /><br />That wasn't the question.<br /><br />If you reject abiogenesis and you're not an ID supporter, what else is left?Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-61628079398542548232011-06-14T10:14:10.055-07:002011-06-14T10:14:10.055-07:00natschuster said...
I read the abstract of th...<i>natschuster said...<br /><br /> I read the abstract of the article linked. </i><br /><br />Why don't you quit being such a lazy jerk for once in your trolling life and <b>READ THE F****** PAPERS. </b><br /><br /><b>THE PAPERS. </b> Not the abstracts.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-15272611112476765592011-06-14T09:52:45.207-07:002011-06-14T09:52:45.207-07:00Thorton:"Right. You reject abiogenesis and yo...Thorton:"Right. You reject abiogenesis and you're not an ID supporter."<br /><br />Why do you think I reject abiogenesis?Blashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205610477389739651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-75341203958687493182011-06-14T09:48:40.403-07:002011-06-14T09:48:40.403-07:00I read the abstract of the article linked. It ment...I read the abstract of the article linked. It mentioned that vesicles grow and divide. I didn't see anything about coordination.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-41120193461581920142011-06-14T09:37:04.386-07:002011-06-14T09:37:04.386-07:00Blas said...
I am not an ID supporter.
Right. ...<i>Blas said...<br /><br /> I am not an ID supporter.</i><br /><br />Right. You reject abiogenesis and you're not an ID supporter.<br /><br />What else is left?Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.com