tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post4802452662207554115..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: UCEs: See Something—Say SomethingUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-7862873656829567432013-01-03T11:14:44.098-08:002013-01-03T11:14:44.098-08:00Thorton,
"Feel free to offer another hypothe...Thorton,<br /><br />"Feel free to offer another hypothesis for the history and processes of life on Earth, one that explains ALL the empirical evidence in a better more consilient manner,..."<br /><br />Do you seriously believe evolution explains ALL the empirical evidence? If so, you are truly delusional. Evolution can't even provide a remotely plausible explanation for the origin of life. Until it can do that all else is simply presumptive conjecture.<br /><br />Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-43667374667182978482012-12-23T06:18:12.188-08:002012-12-23T06:18:12.188-08:00Oops no courses mentioning the blind watchmaker fr...Oops no courses mentioning the blind watchmaker from thorton, the momma's boy.<br /><br />Maybe some other evoTARD sock puppet will post some, momma's boy, because you sure can'tJoe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-5198547965967557722012-12-22T20:05:16.422-08:002012-12-22T20:05:16.422-08:00Oops! No courses mentioning Intelligent Design Cre...Oops! No courses mentioning Intelligent Design Creation from Chubs!<br /><br />Maybe your new sockpuppet can post some fatty, because you sure can't.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-45872237103990645742012-12-22T20:04:31.539-08:002012-12-22T20:04:31.539-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-91813498061377027072012-12-22T18:56:35.635-08:002012-12-22T18:56:35.635-08:00Every physics course that discusses the laws of na...Every physics course that discusses the laws of nature. Every biology course that discusses biology- all of them present evidence for Intelligent Design.<br /><br />Go ahead and post a course syllabus that mentions evidence for the blind watchmaker.<br /><br />C'mon momma's boy put up the data.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-329068302022197272012-12-22T18:33:35.742-08:002012-12-22T18:33:35.742-08:00Fatboy Joke Gallien
Umm, every college and univer...<i>Fatboy Joke Gallien<br /><br />Umm, every college and university that teaches physics, chemistry, cosmology and biology teaches the positive evidence for Intelligent Design</i><br /><br />Fatboy, if you're going to lie don't make it so over the top.<br /><br />Go ahead and post a course syllabus that mentions evidence for Intelligent Design Creationism.<br /><br />C'mon fatty put up the data.<br /><br /><br />Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-89633531298041640222012-12-22T18:07:10.270-08:002012-12-22T18:07:10.270-08:00Umm, every college and university that teaches phy...Umm, every college and university that teaches physics, chemistry, cosmology and biology teaches the positive evidence for Intelligent Design.<br /><br />Every one, without exception. <br /><br />Go figure...Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-11541896939862148432012-12-22T18:02:51.300-08:002012-12-22T18:02:51.300-08:00Fatboy, you forgot to list the schools that teach ...Fatboy, you forgot to list the schools that teach the positive evidence for Intelligent Design Creationism.<br /><br />Oh wait, how about this one?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.ringling.com/ContentPage.aspx?id=45924&section=45688" rel="nofollow">Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Clown College</a><br /><br />I bet you're a proud alumnus!Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-18199534564398375932012-12-22T17:59:42.525-08:002012-12-22T17:59:42.525-08:00LoL! Please list ONE college or universitiy that c...LoL! Please list ONE college or universitiy that can provide a testable hypothesis along with positive evidence for unguided evolution.<br /><br />Which classes do they offer that tells us how many mutations it takes or how many generations it takes to construct new complex protein machinery, new body plans and new body parts?<br /><br />Which classes offer anything beyond equivocation and attacking strawmen? Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-54242138694790911382012-12-22T17:45:53.202-08:002012-12-22T17:45:53.202-08:00Chubby Joe G
I have provided plenty of positive e...<i>Chubby Joe G<br /><br />I have provided plenty of positive evidence for ID. Others have also.</i><br /><br />Hey Chubs, could you please list some of the colleges and universities that offer courses in this positive evidence? Which classes should I take to learn all about the iron-clad case for Intelligent Design Creationism?<br /><br />Put the Cheesy Poofs down and speak up Chubs, I can't hear you.<br /><br />Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-91959661561482685262012-12-22T14:26:25.513-08:002012-12-22T14:26:25.513-08:00Cowardly thorton sock puppet, closet YEC-
Mommy, ...Cowardly thorton sock puppet, closet YEC-<br /><br /><i>Mommy, Joe keeps exposing my cowardice and ignorance. Please protect me!</i>Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-24947916157481125422012-12-22T14:25:37.676-08:002012-12-22T14:25:37.676-08:00Cowardly thorton sock puppet, closet YEC-
Mommy, ...Cowardly thorton sock puppet, closet YEC-<br /><br /><i>Mommy, Joe keeps exposing my cowardice and ignorance. Please protect me!</i>Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-39934058230476840792012-12-22T14:17:50.352-08:002012-12-22T14:17:50.352-08:00And just how did you or anyone determine all genet...<b>And just how did you or anyone determine all genetic changes are random/ chance/ happenstance events?</b><br /><br /><i>No one can prove that</i><br /><br />Well THAT is the claim that needs to be supported.<br /><br /><i>We empirically observe that the changes are random WRT reproductive fitness, </i><br /><br />No, dumbass. According to MAYR the mutations are random as in chance/ happenstance events, period.<br /><br />Random wrt fitness is cowardly bullshit.<br /><br /><i>and there's zero evidence of any conscious guiding.</i><br /><br />Yeah and there's no evidence for conscious guiding of a computer program either.<br /><br /><i>If you want to claim there is outside conscious guidance you need to provide evidence for it </i><br /><br />No outside guidance required, moron. However you need to provide evidence that all genetic changes are random/ chance/ happenstance events, and you can't.<br /><br /><i>That's not a mechanism for how an outside agency consciously manipulates the DNA to get the desired results </i><br /><br />No one cares about your strawman, assface.<br /><br />Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-73569548511835633732012-12-22T14:11:12.614-08:002012-12-22T14:11:12.614-08:00Chubby Joke G
And just how did you or anyone dete...<i>Chubby Joke G<br /><br />And just how did you or anyone determine all genetic changes are random/ chance/ happenstance events?</i><br /><br />No one can prove that Chubs. We empirically observe that the changes are random WRT reproductive fitness, and there's zero evidence of any conscious guiding.<br /><br />If you want to claim there is outside conscious guidance you need to provide evidence for it fatboy. That's what you IDiot Creationists can't do.<br /><br /><i>In living organism the physical mechanism is the DNA and states which implement the genetic code.</i><br /><br />That's not a mechanism for how an <b>outside agency consciously manipulates</b> the DNA to get the desired results Chubs. Try again you fat failure.<br /><br />Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-10683915726146375962012-12-22T13:59:47.444-08:002012-12-22T13:59:47.444-08:00thorton,
Shut up- you can't offer a testable...thorton, <br /><br />Shut up- you can't offer a testable hypothesis for us to offer an alternative to.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-52948231540658773742012-12-22T13:58:08.686-08:002012-12-22T13:58:08.686-08:00you've just described exactly evolution throug...<i>you've just described exactly evolution through random genetic variation.</i><br /><br />And just how did you or anyone determine all genetic changes are random/ chance/ happenstance events?<br /><br /><i>In computers the physical mechanism is the transistor voltages and states which implement the Boolean logic.</i><br /><br />In living organism the physical mechanism is the DNA and states which implement the genetic code.<br /><br />IOW there would be any number of targets to choose from. And directed mutations to get to them.<br /><br /><i>If the solutions are random then they're not guided.</i><br /><br />And how can you determine they are random/ chance/ happenstance events?<br /><br />Please do tell, we have only been waiting for over 150 years.<br /><br /><br />Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-21462723045748375332012-12-22T13:38:48.027-08:002012-12-22T13:38:48.027-08:00Chubby Joe G
There was more than one selection pr...<i>Chubby Joe G<br /><br />There was more than one selection pressure. And more than one way to survive.<br /><br />The solution is to adapt to survive. And tehre is more than one way to do that, obvioulsy.</i><br /><br />So there isn't any pre-set solution, just selection pressure to survive. Congratulations Chubs, you've just described <b>exactly</b> evolution through random genetic variation.<br /><br /><i>T: "What is the physical mechanism for how these supposedly built in mechanisms are consciously guided?"<br /><br />What is the physical mechanism for how computer programs are consciously guided?</i><br /><br />Cowardly evasion noted. In computers the physical mechanism is the transistor voltages and states which implement the Boolean logic. How does your Magic Designer physically manipulate the DNA and/or the environment to get the "guided" results it wants Chubs? If the solutions are random then they're <b>not guided.</b><br /><br />Keep squirming fatboy, you're so fun to watch.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-34350823310552700962012-12-22T12:27:34.049-08:002012-12-22T12:27:34.049-08:00That said if your position had some positive evide...<b>That said if your position had some positive evidence you would just present it. But you are too much of an ignorant coward to even provide a testable hypothesis for unguided evolution.</b><br /><br />IOW thorTARD doesn't have a viable alternative to Intelligent Design.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-84763716623970153462012-12-22T12:26:13.844-08:002012-12-22T12:26:13.844-08:00What different "problems" were each colo...<i>What different "problems" were each colony trying to solve </i><br /><br />There was more than one selection pressure. And more than one way to survive.<br /><br /><i>What was the correct "solution" to the E coli experiment, and why did all 12 colonies end up with different "solutions"?</i><br /><br />The solution is to adapt to survive. And tehre is more than one way to do that, obvioulsy.<br /><br /><b>Built-in responses to environmental cues start the mutation process until the solution is found. </b><br /><br /><i>What is the physical mechanism for how these supposedly built in mechanisms are consciously guided?</i><br /><br />What is the physical mechanism for how computer programs are consciously guided?<br /><br /><i>Where is this pre-specified "solution" kept?</i><br /><br />What pre-specified solutions? Weasel doesn't have any pre-specified solutions. Just a target- all solutions are different. <br /><br />Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-28998916140542238992012-12-22T08:52:16.326-08:002012-12-22T08:52:16.326-08:00Liar for Jesus Jeff
Moronton, there is NO single ...<i>Liar for Jesus Jeff<br /><br />Moronton, there is NO single hypothesis that explains all of the empirical evidence. Much less is there one such single hypothesis that is falsifiable.</i><br /><br />LOL! So you can't offer a single alternate hypothesis. All you can do is scream the Creationist mantra about how ToE got it all wrong.<br /><br />That's why you and the rest of your Creationist idiots will always be a meaningless clown circus to real science LFJJ.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-1243270303170664992012-12-22T08:47:49.720-08:002012-12-22T08:47:49.720-08:00Chubby Joe G
I have alreday been over that with ...<i>Chubby Joe G <br /><br />I have alreday been over that with you. It's like this- tghey weren't all trying to solve teh same problem and then there is more than one way to solve any one problem.</i><br /><br />What different "problems" were each colony trying to solve Chubs? Please be specific and provide your supporting evidence.<br /><br /><i>With Dawkin's "weasel" every time you run it it takes a different path to the solution. </i><br /><br />What was the correct "solution" to the E coli experiment, and why did all 12 colonies end up with different "solutions"?<br /><br /><i>Built-in responses to environmental cues start the mutation process until the solution is found. </i><br /><br />What is the physical mechanism for how these supposedly built in mechanisms are <b>consciously guided</b>? Where is this pre-specified "solution" kept? <br /><br />You keep waving those fat hands Chubs but you Creationists never provide any answers.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-91425832077161961062012-12-22T08:01:37.406-08:002012-12-22T08:01:37.406-08:00I wouldn't say anything can falsify benevolent...I wouldn't say anything can falsify benevolent/competent teleology, because without that we have no non-arbitrary epistemology as far as I can tell. But yes, Moronton, a naturalistic theory that predicted the relevant phenotypes at the relevant times when applied to relevant initial conditions WOULD render UCA the better, because more parsimonious, hypothesis.<br /><br />As for the naive falsificationism you believe in, Moronton, there's nothing that could falsify UCA by it EITHER. Parsimony is the only hypothesis rejection criteria that is applicable to either SA or UCA (unless someone can think of a falsifiable implication of UCA--and they haven't yet).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-87685824259144266242012-12-22T06:31:53.309-08:002012-12-22T06:31:53.309-08:00If evolution is Intelligently Guided why didn'...<i>If evolution is Intelligently Guided why didn't all 12 colonies end up the same?</i><br /><br />I have alreday been over that with you. It's like this- tghey weren't all trying to solve teh same problem and then there is more than one way to solve any one problem.<br /><br />With Dawkin's "weasel" every time you run it it takes a different path to the solution. <br /><br /><br /><i>What is the physical mechanism by which your Magic Designer does the guiding?</i><br /><br />Built-in responses to environmental cues start the mutation process until the solution is found. Just as I have been telling you.<br /><br />That said if your position had some positive evidence you would just present it. But you are too much of an ignorant coward to even provide a testable hypothesis for unguided evolution.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-14398927061905479172012-12-22T06:27:23.563-08:002012-12-22T06:27:23.563-08:00LoL! Unguided evolution can't even muster a te...LoL! Unguided evolution can't even muster a testable hypothesis. IOW thorton is lying, agaian.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-82153514986979339482012-12-21T21:26:11.393-08:002012-12-21T21:26:11.393-08:00Nic
In this case it would require a complete over...<i>Nic<br /><br />In this case it would require a complete overhaul of their world view. Such a prospect is truly horrifying to many.</i><br /><br />Feel free to offer another hypothesis for the history and processes of life on Earth, one that explains ALL the empirical evidence in a better more consilient manner, makes better predictions, gives better specific details about mechanisms. Be sure your hypothesis is falsifiable too.<br /><br />Door's only been open to you Creationist "scientists" for 150 years now but no one's stepped up yet.<br /><br />How about it Nic? You game to be the first to offer something better?Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.com