tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post4447704603810918724..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Evolution Professor: Origin of Life “Not Impossible”Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger98125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-24468167928058932612014-09-25T05:49:39.710-07:002014-09-25T05:49:39.710-07:00Ha, ha! You are ignorant.Ha, ha! You are ignorant.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-42430678390340307692014-09-25T05:38:32.227-07:002014-09-25T05:38:32.227-07:00Zachriel: what specifically
Joe G: Knowledge-
H...<b>Zachriel</b>: <i>what specifically</i><br /><br /><b>Joe G</b>: <i>Knowledge- </i><br /><br />Ha, ha! You are hilarious. Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-52704543846887701472014-09-25T05:35:59.993-07:002014-09-25T05:35:59.993-07:00Zachriel:'
Now, the question is what specifica...Zachriel:'<br /><i>Now, the question is what specifically about "physics and chemistry" leads you to predict an affinity between codons and amino acids?</i><br /><br />Knowledge- <br /><br />Also evolutionism did NOT predict the genetic code. It did predict the molecules involved in the genetic code and that means only an imbecile would think it predicted the affinities between the molecules. And here you are.<br /><br />BTW there isn't any evidence for a RNA world. There is a requirement but even then you cannot get to a DNA world from a RNA world. Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-22331979366824291052014-09-25T05:25:44.490-07:002014-09-25T05:25:44.490-07:00Joe G: DNA does not have the affinity, RNA does.
...<b>Joe G</b>: <i>DNA does not have the affinity, RNA does.</i><br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />Saxinger et al., Evidence for the interaction of nucleotides with immobilized amino-acids and its significance for the origin of the genetic code. Nat New Biol 1971.<br /><br />Which supports the RNA-world hypothesis. <br /><br />Crick, "The origin of the genetic code", Journal of Molecular Biology 1968. <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-6758202653665438542014-09-25T05:09:14.524-07:002014-09-25T05:09:14.524-07:00Joe G: It is due to physics and chemistry.
The hy...<b>Joe G</b>: <i>It is due to physics and chemistry.</i><br /><br />The hypothesis was based on a posited history of the evolution of the code from a more primitive association. The prediction regards chemistry. <br /><br />Now, the question is what specifically about "physics and chemistry" leads you to predict an affinity between codons and amino acids? <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-32918194720406696872014-09-24T16:40:16.111-07:002014-09-24T16:40:16.111-07:00Zachriel:
No, you said it was due to "physics...Zachriel:<br /><i>No, you said it was due to "physics and chemistry". </i><br /><br />It is due to physics and chemistry. Do you doubt that? Really?<br /><br /><i>You do understand that codons and amino acids don't directly interact? </i><br /><br />Yes and I also understand that evolutionism did NOT predict the genetic code. It did predict the molecules involved in the genetic code and that means only an imbecile would think it predicted the affinities between the molecules. And here you are.<br /><br /><i>Gamow, Possible relation between deoxyribonucleic acid and protein structures, Nature 1954. </i><br /><br />And he was WRONG. DNA does not have the affinity, RNA does. Not only that he-Gamow- wasn't a biologist.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-22571394749266461222014-09-24T16:08:46.570-07:002014-09-24T16:08:46.570-07:00Joe G: We already covered that.
Heh. No, you sai...<b>Joe G</b>: <i>We already covered that. </i><br /><br />Heh. No, you said it was due to "physics and chemistry". You do understand that codons and amino acids don't directly interact? <br /><br /><b>Joe G</b>: <i>The hypothesis was NOT put forth by blind watchmaker evolutionary biologists.</i><br /><br />Gamow, Possible relation between deoxyribonucleic acid and protein structures, Nature 1954. <br /><br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-84355490364913122332014-09-24T15:31:59.387-07:002014-09-24T15:31:59.387-07:00Zachriel:
Yes, what specially about the genetic co...Zachriel:<br /><i>Yes, what specially about the genetic code implies that codons and amino acids would have affinity? </i><br /><br />We already covered that.<br /><br /><b>Only if the system was designed would we expect the affinity.</b> <br /><br /><i>Why is that?</i><br /><br />I explained why.<br /><br /><i>And why was the hypothesis put forth by evolutionary biologists rather than IDers? </i><br /><br />The hypothesis was NOT put forth by blind watchmaker evolutionary biologists. And the hypothesis has nothing to do with the code.<br /><br />And there still isn't any evidence for a more primitive code and no way to get to the current code from the alleged primitive code.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-65897837502304563472014-09-24T14:41:22.957-07:002014-09-24T14:41:22.957-07:00Joe G: It has to do with the way certain molecules...<b>Joe G</b>: <i>It has to do with the way certain molecules can interact. </i><br /><br />Yes, what specially about the genetic code implies that codons and amino acids would have affinity? <br /><br /><b>Joe G</b>: <i>Only if the system was designed would we expect the affinity. </i><br /><br />Why is that? And why was the hypothesis put forth by evolutionary biologists rather than IDers? <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-30111867810551060352014-09-24T14:32:42.517-07:002014-09-24T14:32:42.517-07:00Zachriel:
Why specifically about the "physics...Zachriel:<br /><i>Why specifically about the "physics and chemistry" would lead you to that conclusion? </i><br /><br />It has to do with the way certain molecules can interact. IOW it requires knowledge, which is something you don't have. <br /><br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19795157<br /><br /><i>There's no reason for the affinity if the system was designed. </i><br /><br />Only if the system was designed would we expect the affinity. Non-design processes can't account for atoms, let alone molecules and their affinities.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-61560276029881111662014-09-24T13:39:16.568-07:002014-09-24T13:39:16.568-07:00Joe G: That means given the physics and chemistry ...<b>Joe G</b>: <i>That means given the physics and chemistry of the molecules involved in the genetic code we would expect there to be an affinity between codons and amino acids. </i><br /><br />Why specifically about the "physics and chemistry" would lead you to that conclusion? <br /><br /><b>Joe G</b>: <i>Do you really believe the affinity between DNA and amino acids wouldn't exist if the genetic code didn't use either of them?</i><br /><br />There's no reason for the affinity if the system was designed. <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-33647172134262488332014-09-24T13:29:01.570-07:002014-09-24T13:29:01.570-07:00Zachriel:
As codons and amino acids don't inte...Zachriel:<br /><i>As codons and amino acids don't interact directly, why would you expect an affinity. Please be specific.</i><br /><br />The affinity has everything to do with the physics and chemistry of the molecules involved.<br /><br />That means given the physics and chemistry of the molecules involved in the genetic code we would expect there to be an affinity between codons and amino acids.<br /><br />No guessing required,just knowledge of chemistry and physics.<br /><br />Do you really believe the affinity between DNA and amino acids wouldn't exist if the genetic code didn't use either of them? Really? The affinity only exists because the genetic code requires a pre-cursor with such an affinity? Really?<br />Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-81413462128669739012014-09-24T13:07:52.852-07:002014-09-24T13:07:52.852-07:00Joe G: The affinity doesn't have anything to d...<b>Joe G</b>: <i>The affinity doesn't have anything to do with any code.</i><br /><br />Lucky guess then? <br /><br /><b>Joe G</b>: <i>That means given the physics and chemistry of the molecules involved in the genetic code we would expect there to be an affinity between codons and amino acids. </i><br /><br />As codons and amino acids don't interact directly, why would you expect an affinity. Please be specific. <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-53508142197429949532014-09-24T12:22:55.869-07:002014-09-24T12:22:55.869-07:00The affinity doesn't have anything to do with ...The affinity doesn't have anything to do with any code. That is just a fact. The affinity has everything to do with the physics and chemistry of the molecules involved.<br /><br />That means given the physics and chemistry of the molecules involved in the genetic code we would expect there to be an affinity between codons and amino acids.<br /><br />But then again you appear to be too obtuse to grasp that.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-83128043690498463302014-09-24T11:07:17.627-07:002014-09-24T11:07:17.627-07:00Joe G: No, it wasn't.
Gamow, Possible relatio...<b>Joe G</b>: <i>No, it wasn't.</i><br /><br />Gamow, Possible relation between deoxyribonucleic acid and protein structures, Nature 1954. <br /><br /><b>Zachriel</b>: <i>By the way, did you forget that you said the affinity was predicted from the chemical properties of the code? </i><br /><br /><b>Joe G</b>: <i>That isn't what we said.</i><br /><br />Joe G: "Due to the physics and chemistry of the current genetic code we would predict the affinity between codons and amino acids."<br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-6537798787448918652014-09-24T10:51:58.760-07:002014-09-24T10:51:58.760-07:00Zachriel:
And yet the affinity was predicted from ...Zachriel:<br /><i>And yet the affinity was predicted from a hypothesis about the origin of the code.</i><br /><br />No, it wasn't. However, there still isn't any evidence for a more primitive code and no way to get to the current code from the alleged primitive code.<br /><br /><i>By the way, did you forget that you said the affinity was predicted from the chemical properties of the code? </i><br /><br />That isn't what we said.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-91465053885965017122014-09-24T10:20:22.419-07:002014-09-24T10:20:22.419-07:00Joe G: The affinity doesn't have anything to d...<b>Joe G</b>: <i>The affinity doesn't have anything to do with the code. </i><br /><br />And yet the affinity was predicted from a hypothesis about the origin of the code. Lucky guess? <br /><br />By the way, did you forget that you said the affinity was predicted from the chemical properties of the code? <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-60923607472191835172014-09-24T10:18:47.805-07:002014-09-24T10:18:47.805-07:00Heh. The affinity doesn't have anything to do ...Heh. The affinity doesn't have anything to do with the code. And that is what makes your posited "hypothesis", nothing but a lie for gullible losers to promote. And here you are.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-55377512981253840572014-09-24T10:17:07.635-07:002014-09-24T10:17:07.635-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-34353541382084182512014-09-24T10:00:00.419-07:002014-09-24T10:00:00.419-07:00Heh. Except you didn't note any properties of ...Heh. Except you didn't note any properties of the genetic code or the translation process, much less properties that imply that there should be an affinity between codons and amino acids. Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-79918827146242320062014-09-24T09:57:04.054-07:002014-09-24T09:57:04.054-07:00Zachriel:
Do you think that is specific?
I know i...Zachriel:<br /><i>Do you think that is specific?</i><br /><br />I know it is. OTOH there still isn't any evidence for a more primitive code and no way to get to the current code from the alleged primitive code.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-2267796059542321452014-09-24T09:22:29.800-07:002014-09-24T09:22:29.800-07:00Joe G: Due to the physics and chemistry of the cur...<b>Joe G</b>: <i>Due to the physics and chemistry of the current genetic code we would predict the affinity between codons and amino acids. </i><br /><br />Do you think that is specific? Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-62491972421012479672014-09-24T09:19:06.843-07:002014-09-24T09:19:06.843-07:00Due to the physics and chemistry of the current ge...Due to the physics and chemistry of the current genetic code we would predict the affinity between codons and amino acids.<br /><br />As I said obviously you have mental issuesJoe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-16850734490214538972014-09-24T09:15:44.947-07:002014-09-24T09:15:44.947-07:00Joe G: It is via knowledge of physics and chemistr...<b>Joe G</b>: <i>It is via knowledge of physics and chemistry that allows us to predict an affinity between codons and amino acids. </i><br /><br />We asking for the chemical specifics of the genetic code as to why you would predict an affinity between codons and amino acids. <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-39138648181942281082014-09-24T09:10:45.389-07:002014-09-24T09:10:45.389-07:00OK so Zachriel is also ignorant of physics and che...OK so Zachriel is also ignorant of physics and chemistry. It is via knowledge of physics and chemistry that allows us to predict an affinity between codons and amino acids.<br /><br />What are you such an horses arse?Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.com