tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post4301265954781542430..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: What Does Abortion Portend For Evolution?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-20977001689642304472017-09-14T10:23:56.932-07:002017-09-14T10:23:56.932-07:00Selection can only act on things that are inherite...<i>Selection can only act on things that are inherited. </i><br /><br />That is incorrect as natural selection doesn't act on anything. That said whatever exists is open to elimination (natural selection being an eliminative process). All behaviors are open to elimination.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-36495667456597796022017-09-14T08:05:07.258-07:002017-09-14T08:05:07.258-07:00"the behavior would have had to have evolved ..."<i>the behavior would have had to have evolved before there were very good means of performing one, and it would the behavior would have to be very precise."</i><br /><br />"<i>Any behavior that has you terminating progeny is would face severe selection problems."</i><br /><br />Selection can only act on things that are inherited. Some behaviours probably fall into this category (e.g., innate behaviours like the way cats clean themselves, or basic instincts like fear of heights, etc.) but conscious decisions such as abortion, the use of birth control, skydiving and bungee jumping do not. <br /><br />Having an abortion is not a heritable trait. It is a decision that is open to all women, independent of abortions had by women in their ancestral line.<br /><br />Your type of flawed logic has been used to argue against homosexuality. It seems to make sense that homosexuality should be selected against given the lack of reproduction potential, yet the frequency of homosexuals in the population has not changed over time.William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-73174340392334790132017-09-13T21:24:31.433-07:002017-09-13T21:24:31.433-07:00GR:
It's a rather common strategy seen in nat...GR:<br /><br /><i>It's a rather common strategy seen in nature for the mother of a brood to reject the runt of the litter as to give the remaining offspring a better chance at surviving to adulthood.</i><br /><br />Good point, but I don't think you have resolved the issue. I think there is a real problem here. First, humans don't generally have a "brood." And second, abortion behavior is prenatal, not post.<br /><br />I probably don't need to spell out all the details of why this is a problem: the behavior would have had to have evolved before there were very good means of performing one, and it would the behavior would have to be very precise. Evolution is playing with fire here. Any behavior that has you terminating progeny is would face severe selection problems.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-24240194098722669662017-09-13T20:54:00.217-07:002017-09-13T20:54:00.217-07:00You might like my work on Francis Bacon at www.ant...You might like my work on Francis Bacon at www.antimachiavel.com<br /><br />RyanMuggleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04209554142424591425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-85056611173103121042017-09-12T11:34:35.778-07:002017-09-12T11:34:35.778-07:00Except there is a huge religious sect that teaches...<i>Except there is a huge religious sect that teaches that birth control is a sin.</i><br /><br />That doesn't even address what I said.<br /><br /><i>In countries where there is comprehensive sex education and no restriction to birth control, teen pregnancy rates and abortion rates have dropped dramatically.</i><br /><br />Thank you for making my point.<br /><br />And killing unborn children is still wrong regardless.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-78908935545320725342017-09-12T07:56:40.377-07:002017-09-12T07:56:40.377-07:00Joke: "Then there is the fact that humans are...Joke: "<i>Then there is the fact that humans are supposed to be smarter than other animals and can actually think about the consequences of having unprotected sex."</i><br /><br />Except there is a huge religious sect that teaches that birth control is a sin. And that sex outside of marriage is a sin. And that sex for pleasure is a sin. And is opposed to comprehensive and judgment free sex education taught at a young age, which provides important information to both boys and girls that can prevent unwanted pregnancies. And that is opposed to abortion.<br /><br />In countries where there is comprehensive sex education and no restriction to birth control, teen pregnancy rates and abortion rates have dropped dramatically.<br /><br />"<i>But it seems we humans don't hold women in such regard as being smart enough to figure that out."</i><br /><br />It is the people who support sex education, unrestricted access to contraceptives and freedom of choice for abortion who have a high regard for the intelligence of women. It is those who want to impose their religious beliefs on others who have a lack of respect for the intelligence of women.William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-82528873367784388312017-09-12T06:30:57.122-07:002017-09-12T06:30:57.122-07:00It still flies in the face of natural selection to...It still flies in the face of natural selection to intentionally eliminate children before they are born.<br /><br />For humans we can put unwanted kids up for adoption so the birth mother doesn't have to raise them. There are options besides killing the unborn for unwanted pregnancies. Then there is the fact that humans are supposed to be smarter than other animals and can actually think about the consequences of having unprotected sex. But it seems we humans don't hold women in such regard as being smart enough to figure that out.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-86490215131441474182017-09-11T19:57:09.579-07:002017-09-11T19:57:09.579-07:00As usual Cornelius' thinking is as shallow as ...As usual Cornelius' thinking is as shallow as his understanding of evolution. It's not just quantity of offspring which is important but quality, including the quality of life which increases the chance of the offspring surviving. It's a rather common strategy seen in nature for the mother of a brood to reject the runt of the litter as to give the remaining offspring a better chance at surviving to adulthood. <br /><br />For some humans, young ones especially, the decision to terminate an unplanned pregnancy when the mother is unable to care for a child will allow the mother the best chance to improve her conditions and later have a child when she is able to support one.<br /><br />Of course every situation is different which is why we give the woman the option to decide what is best for her and any future offspring.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-84067616189948847372017-09-11T19:25:52.444-07:002017-09-11T19:25:52.444-07:00Its a cute thing that does show natural evolutioni...Its a cute thing that does show natural evolutionism is opposed to abortion.<br />I am pro-life. i do insist the soul is put into a body at conception. therefore to destroy that body, by abortion, is killing a human being and sending them to a other place.<br />it is hard to persuade people, at early stages in pregnancy that the fetis is a kid.<br />Thats why the abortiuon issue is not a moral contention but a intellectual one.<br />Thats why so many excellent and good people are on different sides.<br />Nevertheless someone is right and someone wrong.<br />A kid does come out of a woman and so Roe vs Wade is wrong and to be destroyed.<br />Then argue about when the kids have arrived.<br />first things first.<br />The constitution did not show a conclusion from the people that the fetus was not a human being and so abortion is a right from privacy of ones body.<br />Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-27517036040483150842017-09-11T19:01:16.717-07:002017-09-11T19:01:16.717-07:00Sure, abortion behavior does not rule out the poss...Sure, abortion behavior does not rule out the possibility of having children later on. But abortion behavior would have been selected against because, in the aggregate, abortion behavior leads to fewer progeny.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-73519676098875217302017-09-11T18:54:01.294-07:002017-09-11T18:54:01.294-07:00How is that? As I mentioned, my wife had an abort...How is that? As I mentioned, my wife had an abortion, yet we have three children. How many kids do you have? William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-74012016429805727422017-09-11T18:47:48.705-07:002017-09-11T18:47:48.705-07:00WS: Abortion demolishes evolution.WS: Abortion demolishes evolution.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-58607910740606815012017-09-11T13:22:56.094-07:002017-09-11T13:22:56.094-07:00Interesting. An OP about abortion by a person who ...Interesting. An OP about abortion by a person who does not accept evolution as it is currently described. And the first two comments add birth control and suicide to the mix. Any guess what abortion, birth control, suicide and opposition to unguided evolution have in common?<br /><br /><br /><br />William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-13144052594115210632017-09-11T12:04:46.653-07:002017-09-11T12:04:46.653-07:00As is suicide.As is suicide.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12919738370401714578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-46602690688568826402017-09-11T10:55:40.974-07:002017-09-11T10:55:40.974-07:00Birth control is the same.Birth control is the same.Blashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205610477389739651noreply@blogger.com