tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post4230241720994089740..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Even Evolutionists Admit It’s a MessUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-48065065748289748742012-04-11T21:25:15.342-07:002012-04-11T21:25:15.342-07:00If I say I believe there is a pink unicorn in my g...If I say I believe there is a pink unicorn in my garage and you say you don't believe it, is either statement evidence of what there is in the garage? However, if we <i>both</i> go and <i>look</i> in the garage and see it's empty, those observations are evidence that supports <i>your</i> belief not mine.<br /><br />Similarly, the stories in the Bible might be accounts of what the authors believed actually happened or they might be intended as metaphor and allegory or they might be a mixture of all these things. Without evidence from other sources we have no way of knowing. References to Jesus in the works of Josephus and Tacitus, for example, are evidence that there was a preacher or healer of that name in Judea at about the right time. However, we have no way of knowing whether or not they were just repeating what they had been told by other Christian sources. Yes, what they wrote <i>is</i> evidence but, on its own, it's not even persuasive, let alone compelling.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11311738457332907931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-46516498256799562892012-04-11T21:05:05.440-07:002012-04-11T21:05:05.440-07:00First,are you saying that policeman dealing drugs ...First,are you saying that policeman dealing drugs and a politician taking a bribe are equally serious offenses as child abuse? Equally as abhorrent as the individual priest's actions was the neglect shown by the Church's upper management. Children's rights were sacrificed for the good of the Church. Ok,humans make mistakes, and as a society we can throw you in jail forever because of it. If the Catholic Church's feelings are hurt by justified criticism , too bad. They are getting off easier than the children abused.velikovskyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10957523527184649923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-73715248695471830612012-04-11T20:03:31.198-07:002012-04-11T20:03:31.198-07:00Velikovsky
If abusive act is proven the abuser sh...Velikovsky<br /><br />If abusive act is proven the abuser should be punished accordingly. Regardless if it’s a pedophile priest, policeman dealing drugs, doctor molesting patients, politician taking bribes etc Job title doesn’t guarantee person will be perfect. <br />I still see some issues get blown out of proportion while others go unreported in media. <br /><br />Suspicious coincidence.Eugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-14709846848441800972012-04-11T18:29:44.481-07:002012-04-11T18:29:44.481-07:00About fairnessAbout fairnessvelikovskyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10957523527184649923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-24945635332260450762012-04-11T18:27:38.748-07:002012-04-11T18:27:38.748-07:00I agree with your first response, institutions can...I agree with your first response, institutions can't control everything their representatives do. And people who run them are human and make human mistakes.And since a child has more chance to suffer abuse from his family, the Catholic Church only accounts for a smaller percentage of abuse. I am a Catholic of the nonpracticing kind, unable to escape my early indoctrination.<br /><br />Now,Eugen,you had to ruin it with second response. If a priest is molesting someone he deserves everything he gets, whether someone else is ignored or not. If the Church takes a hit then they should say,mea culpa,mea maxima culpa and fix the problem. Not whine about how someone else did it and nobody said anything. That excuse never worked from me with the nuns and it trivalizes the abuse. <br /> <br />The real issue is how the Church responded to the abuse, protection of the reputation of the Church outweighed their responsibility to protect the children, sending pedophiles to work in new parishes to compound their error. Have any Bishops been sanctioned for this,arrested for failure to report child abuse? In any other institution management which failed to " fire " a pedophile would not have a job. So I have a hard time feeling very outraged for the Church. And now the apologist say that's ancient history ,let's move on. Fine when the last child who suffered abuse is in heaven,for if there is a just God,being abused by a priest should be a get out of jail free card ,then the Catholic Church can complain fairness.<br /><br />FYI,one of the priests in the database taught at my high school when I was there,creepy.velikovskyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10957523527184649923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-39816290413978197122012-04-11T16:03:16.979-07:002012-04-11T16:03:16.979-07:00Hi Lino
I was trying to say there are many people...Hi Lino<br /><br />I was trying to say there are many people in different institutions that make mistakes. Many times media will focus on mistakes of pastors or priests while doctors or teachers who molested receive minor attention. <br /><br /> Media speciality is Catholic bashing for weeks while corrupted politicians are filling their pockets and ruining countries.Eugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-78321086471819755102012-04-11T15:30:58.171-07:002012-04-11T15:30:58.171-07:00Eugen,
If I misunderstood your comment that I re...Eugen, <br /><br />If I misunderstood your comment that I responded to earlier, then I apologize.Lino Di Ischiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00904662370561530557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-66129654663188492272012-04-11T14:11:59.287-07:002012-04-11T14:11:59.287-07:00Eugen,
you've joined Thorton in defending wha...Eugen,<br /><br />you've joined Thorton in defending what you consider to be science using slander as a technique.<br /><br />It's shameful. Why imitate him?<br /><br />Thorton is a one-trick pony act. He "believes" in invisible forces, unknown to us, that somehow have "directed" evolution. That's all he's got.<br /><br />And, of course, it is all invisible, yet powerful. It's "Darwinism in the Gaps". Wow. What science!Lino Di Ischiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00904662370561530557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-67521547720985447492012-04-11T12:47:15.665-07:002012-04-11T12:47:15.665-07:00Velikovsky
"of course they are not alone in...Velikovsky<br /><br /><br />"of course they are not alone in that."<br /><br />Thanks for being honest. Institutions like government, law enforcement, medical, education, religion etc. are run by people who make mistakes.<br /><br />Sometimes mistakes are unintentional, other times intentional.<br /><br />Certain groups like to focus only on one institution's mistakes.Eugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-26657724137015684482012-04-11T12:14:20.479-07:002012-04-11T12:14:20.479-07:00Louis the fruit loop
And who pays you bonobo face...<i>Louis the fruit loop<br /><br />And who pays you bonobo face? You sure spend a lot of time on this forum. More than even Hunter.</i><br /><br />I come here for the entertainment value fruit loop. I find it hilarious to watch ignorant Creationist knobs like you make fools of themselves on a daily basis.<br /><br />Tell us again how an intelligent designer would <b>never</b> reinvent the wheel! :DGhostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-90023261380048351772012-04-11T12:01:39.785-07:002012-04-11T12:01:39.785-07:00CH is a professional political propagandist. He...<i>CH is a professional political propagandist. He's well paid by the DI to push this sort of ridiculous anti-science hand-waving, and he takes pride in his work.</i><br /><br />And who pays you bonobo face? You sure spend a lot of time on this forum. More than even Hunter.Rebel Sciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11762287159937757216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-82583124546785077872012-04-11T11:09:45.053-07:002012-04-11T11:09:45.053-07:00Sure:
Predictions of Materialism compared to Pred...Sure:<br /><br />Predictions of Materialism compared to Predictions of Theism within the scientific method:<br />http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dc8z67wz_5fwz42dg9bornagain77https://www.blogger.com/profile/16666666037080692370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-54070184428303725072012-04-11T10:46:53.934-07:002012-04-11T10:46:53.934-07:00How so? I believe scienctific methods are a valid...How so? I believe scienctific methods are a valid way to gain knowledge of the world. It that your belief?velikovskyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10957523527184649923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-50266437778927230222012-04-11T09:01:34.539-07:002012-04-11T09:01:34.539-07:00Vel, you ask:
'Why do you believe this scienc...Vel, you ask:<br /><br />'Why do you believe this science as valid and biology using the same assumptions as invalid?'<br /><br />Actually I am consistent in my assumptions of science and you are inconsistent, (and severely inconsistent at that):<br /><br />Stephen Meyer - The Scientific Basis Of Intelligent Design - video<br />http://vimeo.com/32148403bornagain77https://www.blogger.com/profile/16666666037080692370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-70536699302531438272012-04-11T07:36:10.866-07:002012-04-11T07:36:10.866-07:00My wife used to work in the legal side of child ab...My wife used to work in the legal side of child abuse, the majority of abusers are family, people living in the same home as the children. The Catholic Church valued its institution over the needs of the children to be safe, of course they are not alone in that.velikovskyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10957523527184649923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-31830597247151920242012-04-11T07:14:48.420-07:002012-04-11T07:14:48.420-07:00If somebody told me that my grandfather saw the Ni...If somebody told me that my grandfather saw the Nile turn to blood, I would ask why my Grandfather didn't tell me.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-73473925442911911432012-04-11T07:13:24.413-07:002012-04-11T07:13:24.413-07:00A whole nation believing something is a little dif...A whole nation believing something is a little different than one person. If someone tried to say that around 1820 extra-terrestrials visted the U.S.A and everybody saw them and it became part of the official history of the United States then, I would assume, most people would reject it. So if the miracles of the Bible didn't happen, it means that someone said that they did happen at a specific time in the nations history, everyone saw them, and it was even written down, and the whole nation accepted this without question.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-22014625211832436302012-04-11T07:01:24.457-07:002012-04-11T07:01:24.457-07:00BA ,
Again we reverse course,back to the theory t...BA ,<br /> Again we reverse course,back to the theory that the earth is so special that it implies God. Correct? Let's take your last link, the universe is a diverse and complicated place. Theories of planet formative are constantly being evaluated with new data. We have finite knowledge. Can we draw a conclusion from this? What is it? Bearing in mind that since our technology is limited to interpreting data, it is quite similar to what biologists do.Why do you believe this science as valid and biology using the same assumptions as invalid? You have yet to give an answer .So what does this link evidence and why should we trust the data used as evidence?velikovskyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10957523527184649923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-29413275921416320112012-04-11T03:09:16.962-07:002012-04-11T03:09:16.962-07:00Definition of CONSCIOUSNESS
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a : the quality or s...Definition of CONSCIOUSNESS<br />1<br />a : the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself <br /><br />b : the state or fact of being conscious of an external object, state, or fact <br /><br />c : awareness;bornagain77https://www.blogger.com/profile/16666666037080692370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-21795252261991952792012-04-11T03:06:05.181-07:002012-04-11T03:06:05.181-07:00The Privileged Planet - video
http://www.youtube.c...The Privileged Planet - video<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnWyPIzTOTw<br /><br />Privileged Planet - Observability Correlation - Gonzalez and Richards - video<br />http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5424431<br /><br /> The very conditions that make Earth hospitable to intelligent life also make it well suited to viewing and analyzing the universe as a whole.<br /> - Jay Richards<br /><br />A few videos of related 'observability correlation' interest;<br /><br />We Live At The Right Time In Cosmic History - Hugh Ross - video<br />http://vimeo.com/31940671<br /><br />Epistemology – Why Should The Human Mind Even Be Able To Comprehend Reality? – Stephen Meyer - video – (Notes in description)<br />http://vimeo.com/32145998<br /><br />The Loneliest Planet - ALAN HIRSHFELD - December 2011<br />Excerpt: While he cannot prove a galaxy-wide absence of other civilizations, he presents an array of modern, research-based evidence that renders that conclusion eminently reasonable.<br />http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204552304577116570107579152.html<br /><br />Exoplanet Hunters Fail Predictions – August 2010<br />Excerpt: There are so many surprises in this field—almost nothing is turning out as we expected. There are Jupiter-mass planets in three-day orbits. There are planets with masses that are between those of the terrestrial planets in our solar system and the gas giants in the outer part of our solar system. There are Jupiter-mass planets with hugely inflated radii—at densities far lower than what we thought were possible for a gas-giant planet. There are giant planets with gigantic solid cores that defy models of planet formation, which say there shouldn’t be enough solids available in a protoplanetary disk to form a planet that dense. There are planets with tilted orbits. There are planets that orbit the poles of their stars, in so-called circumpolar orbits. There are planets that orbit retrograde—that is, they orbit in the opposite direction of their star’s rotation. There are systems of planets that are in configurations that are hard to describe given our understanding of planet formation. For instance, some planets are much too close to one another.<br />But a lot of those surprises have to do with the fact that we have only one example of a planetary system—our solar system—to base everything on, right?<br />What’s interesting is that we’ve found very little that resembles our example.<br />http://www.creationsafaris.com/crev201008.htm#20100831abornagain77https://www.blogger.com/profile/16666666037080692370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-25480372088617418642012-04-11T03:00:38.648-07:002012-04-11T03:00:38.648-07:00Vel, you ignore or deny clear evidence and then as...Vel, you ignore or deny clear evidence and then ask why I don't defend it? Horse, water, drink? or should I water-board you?<br /><br />Weird Orbits of Neighbors Can Make 'Habitable' Planets Not So Habitable - May 2010<br />http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100524143419.htm<br /><br /> Thank God for Jupiter - July 2010<br /> Excerpt: The July 16, 1994 and July 19, 2009 collision events on Jupiter demonstrate just how crucial a role the planet plays in protecting life on Earth. Without Jupiter’s gravitational shield our planet would be pummeled by frequent life-exterminating events. Yet Jupiter by itself is not an adequate shield. The best protection is achieved via a specific arrangement of several gas giant planets. The most massive gas giant must be nearest to the life support planet and the second most massive gas giant the next nearest, followed by smaller, more distant gas giants. Together Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune provide Earth with this ideal shield.<br /> http://www.reasons.org/thank-god-jupiter<br /><br /> Of Gaps, Fine-Tuning and Newton’s Solar System - Cornelius Hunter - July 2011<br /> Excerpt: The new results indicate that the solar system could become unstable if diminutive Mercury, the inner most planet, enters into a dance with Jupiter, the fifth planet from the Sun and the largest of all. The resulting upheaval could leave several planets in rubble, including our own. Using Newton’s model of gravity, the chances of such a catastrophe were estimated to be greater than 50/50 over the next 5 billion years. But interestingly, accounting for Albert Einstein’s minor adjustments (according to his theory of relativity), reduces the chances to just 1%.<br /> http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2011/07/of-gaps-fine-tuning-and-newtons-solar.html<br /><br /> Milankovitch Cycle Design - Hugh Ross - August 2011<br /> Excerpt: In all three cases, Waltham proved that the actual Earth/Moon/solar system manifests unusually low Milankovitch levels and frequencies compared to similar alternative systems. ,,, Waltham concluded, “It therefore appears that there has been anthropic selection for slow Milankovitch cycles.” That is, it appears Earth was purposely designed with slow, low-level Milankovitch cycles so as to allow humans to exist and thrive.<br /> http://www.reasons.org/milankovitch-cycle-design<br /><br /> Astrobiology research is revealing the high specificity and interdependence of the local parameters required for a habitable environment. These two features of the universe make it unlikely that environments significantly different from ours will be as habitable. At the same time, physicists and cosmologists have discovered that a change in a global parameter can have multiple local effects. Therefore, the high specificity and interdependence of local tuning and the multiple effects of global tuning together make it unlikely that our tiny island of habitability is part of an archipelago. Our universe is a small target indeed.<br /> Astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez - P. 625, The Nature of Nature<br /><br /> Among Darwin Advocates, Premature Celebration over Abundance of Habitable Planets - September 2011<br /> Excerpt: Today, such processes as planet formation details, tidal forces, plate tectonics, magnetic field evolution, and planet-planet, planet-comet, and planet-asteroid gravitational interactions are found to be relevant to habitability.,,, What's more, not only are more requirements for habitability being discovered, but they are often found to be interdependent, forming a (irreducibly) complex "web." This means that if a planetary system is found not to satisfy one of the habitability requirements, it may not be possible to compensate for this deficit by adjusting a different parameter in the system. - Guillermo Gonzalez<br /> http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/09/among_darwin_advocates_prematu050871.htmlbornagain77https://www.blogger.com/profile/16666666037080692370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-61204343307507371092012-04-11T02:33:56.275-07:002012-04-11T02:33:56.275-07:00Thorton
I followed the link to Database of prie...Thorton <br /><br />I followed the link to Database of priest child molesters - Michigan<br /><br />1- All molesters from Gaylord,MI should be excused. It's obvious why.<br />2- Best way to solve problems is to sweep them under the rug.<br />3- Does anyone keep a handy list of doctors, teachers who molested ? How about policemen drug dealers? Corrupted politicians? The list would be very long I think.Eugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-14752495768199623012012-04-10T22:38:35.436-07:002012-04-10T22:38:35.436-07:00natschuster
Why isn't it evidence that those ...<i>natschuster<br /><br />Why isn't it evidence that those beliefs are true?</i><br /><br />"Since I believe ABC is true, my belief is evidence that ABC is true"<br /><br />Really nat, you'll have your troll license revoked if you keep posting stuff that dumb.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-34260254501360083072012-04-10T22:05:48.398-07:002012-04-10T22:05:48.398-07:00Why isn't it evidence that those beliefs are t...Why isn't it evidence that those beliefs are true?natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-21617848803432880342012-04-10T21:36:07.406-07:002012-04-10T21:36:07.406-07:00I took your links as your argument, do you not wis...I took your links as your argument, do you not wish to defend your citing them as evidence for your position,that life is too unlikely to have occurred without help? I just thought it was ironic that you use results obtained by the very same methods which you denounce as unreliable as evidence for your argument. Don't you?<br /><br />And now you have moved on to reason and consciousness and the origin of life. I agree with you, the existence of planets able to sustain life does not prove the material emergence. It would only prove that the Earth is not the only place in the universe capable of harboring life. <br /><br />What is my evidence that consciousness is a brain function? That is fair, just to be clear could you define consciousness ?velikovskyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10957523527184649923noreply@blogger.com