tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post4123619997221382595..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Planned Parenthood Launches Counter Attack With Ersatz ApologyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger205125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-50906231186396116372015-07-26T10:01:38.306-07:002015-07-26T10:01:38.306-07:00"
A business should have the right to decide ..."<i><br />A business should have the right to decide who they will serve and who they will not."</i><br /><br />And, with a few exceptions, they do. For example, you can deny service to someone if they aren't wearing shoes, unless they are not wearing shoes for religious reasons (isn't irony wonderful). But it is against the law to deny service based on race, religion, sexual orientation and a few other reasons. Freedom of conscience does not exempt you from this law. You may not like it but you have to live with it, or get the law changed. Good luck with that. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-62804490815266852252015-07-26T08:15:02.303-07:002015-07-26T08:15:02.303-07:00"So you agree, they targeted the man?"
..."<i>So you agree, they targeted the man?"</i><br /><br />Yes. As did Rosa Parks on the bus and the teens at the lunch counter. In all cases, they targeted people who were breaking the law. <br /><br />You state that a business should have the right to refuse service to whoever they want. And they do, with a few exceptions. For example, they can refuse service to someone not wearing shoes, unless, of course, the person isn't wearing shoes for religious reasons (isn't irony wonderful). But it is against the law to refuse service to someone based on gender, race, religion and sexual orientation (and probably a couple other that have slipped my mind). And that is exactly what Nichols did. <br /><br />You may disagree with a law, but that doesn't give you the right to avoid consequences if you break the law.William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-49111913862246062452015-07-26T08:06:24.664-07:002015-07-26T08:06:24.664-07:00"Personally I don't really mind as it pro...<i>"Personally I don't really mind as it proves very entertaining at times."</i><br /><br />I agree. But probably not for the same reason you do.William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-20003694582664466372015-07-25T20:30:32.320-07:002015-07-25T20:30:32.320-07:00What is sad to me is the shortsightedness of those...What is sad to me is the shortsightedness of those doing the murdering and those defending the murdering... <br /><br />They know there is a God who created the heavens and the earth, yet they believe He has lost interest, doesn't care, or doesn't know and will never defend His Truth and Righteousness.<br /><br />But it is written that one day they will know, just as surely as the summer follows the spring.<br /><br /> And then they will "say to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”"<br />Glenn Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05974895763468680337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-55638814664517976392015-07-25T16:04:27.485-07:002015-07-25T16:04:27.485-07:00William,
"I also find it very entertaining. ...William,<br /><br />"I also find it very entertaining. But probably not for the same reasons that you do."<br /><br />Of that I am sure. You have repeatedly demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge in relation to the Bible and Christian theology. I have given you some questions to work on but you steadfastly refuse to make an effort. As such, I expect you will continue to put forth old inane arguments thinking they are devastatingly effective.<br /><br />Watching atheists toss out tired old arguments thinking they are going to leave you swinging in the wind is truly humourous. it is also humourous to watch them after you refute their arguments as they continue to think they have won the day. That's a very funny thing about atheists, they never know when they have lost. Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-46313924523900564332015-07-25T15:42:11.971-07:002015-07-25T15:42:11.971-07:00I also find it very entertaining. But probably not...I also find it very entertaining. But probably not for the same reasons that you do. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-9871112094141054702015-07-25T13:15:18.070-07:002015-07-25T13:15:18.070-07:00bpragmatic,
"But for those who seem sure tha...bpragmatic,<br /><br />"But for those who seem sure that the Bible is fiction, and there is no biblical authority to be accountable to, then why bother discussing it with people who have those beliefs?"<br /><br />They do it because they need too. If they are not asserting their 'superior intellect' they feel empty. Many have very little in their lives intellectually outside their atheism.Their whole identity depends on it. Plus, they need to continually re-assure themselves they are right and the only way to do that is take on those who believe the Bible to be true. <br /><br />In addition, there are some who are just plain belligerent and like to pick fights so they can showcase what they believe is their superior knowledge. <br /><br />Personally I don't really mind as it proves very entertaining at times. Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-81728790535250807972015-07-25T09:53:49.239-07:002015-07-25T09:53:49.239-07:00William,
"Let me see if I have this straight...William,<br /><br />"Let me see if I have this straight."<br /><br />Nope, not even in the ball park. <br /><br />How about another chance to do some research? Do a little study to learn about the law and grace and how it applies to man and his relationship with God.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-65255932219578275442015-07-25T09:50:59.551-07:002015-07-25T09:50:59.551-07:00William
"I don't doubt that they intende...William<br /><br />"I don't doubt that they intended to make a statement."<br /><br />So you agree, they targeted the man?<br /><br />"But by your argument Rosa Parks and the black teens at the Woolworths counter were immature and despicable."<br /><br />William, you seem to have great difficulty in understanding the difference between particular instances. Homosexuality and racism are not analogous. Race is innate and immutable, homosexuality is not. As such, there absolutely no parallel between the two.<br /><br />"people who provide public services refuse to do so on discriminatory grounds."<br /><br />A business should have the right to decide who they will serve and who they will not. I ran a business for many years and turned away people for a variety of reasons and had every right to do so.<br /><br />"Which is what Nichols did. He was denying to perform a service that he is obliged to provide, by law, if the couple meet the legal requirements. He didn't refuse because he had previous commitments that day; he refused because they were a same sex couple."<br /><br />I already told you that at the time he was not obligated to perform any marriage. Commissioners could accept or reject any assignment they wished, the assignment would simply be passed on. Do you even read what I post or do you simply answer by rote?<br /><br />Yes, he refused because they were homosexual. something he has every right to do under freedom of conscience. They were not requiring medical attention or any such essential service. They could have simply accepted a replacement commissioner and demonstrated the maturity expected from adults in our society. But it was not about maturity or getting married, it was about getting this man who dared to stand up for his convictions. They were going to make sure he paid the price. There is no other way to describe their actions but spiteful and nasty.<br /><br />"As much as I think these decisions are stupid and bigoted, the separation of church and state protects them."<br /><br />You watch too much American TV, William. First, Canada does not have a separation of church and state clause, in fact neither does the US. The US Constitution simply states the government shall not establish any religion. <br /><br />Second, the intent was to prevent the government from interfering with religious practice, it was never intended to prevent religious influence over government decisions.<br /><br />This, William, is where atheists do one of their very frequent face plants, they don't know the facts, they don't know history, and they refuse to learn because it might upset their perfect little world.<br /><br />"With regard to the Bible and slavery, calling it complicated doesn't excuse it."<br /><br />Thank you very much, William for so aptly demonstrating my previous point regards atheists and history. Very well done. I knew you would not bother to do any research into the question simply because it would wind up destroying one of your favourite arguments. However, I thought I would at least give you the chance to practice some intellectual honesty.<br /><br />"By the way, just because a person is an atheist, don't assume that he has not read and understands the Bible."<br /><br />Oh, I know the old atheist line, 'I've read the Bible more than most Christians' or some variation thereof.<br />Perhaps you have read the Bible, that would be positive. But have you ever bothered to study it historically?<br /><br />"Either the homosexuals are exponentially smarter and more politically aware than Christians,..."<br /><br />Homosexuals are simply people so no, they are not exponentially smarter than Christians. Some are very brilliant, some are as dumb as fence posts, just like Christians, so that is a completely moot point.<br /><br />What the homosexual lobby does have that Christians do not is a very large, very persuasive, very liberal, very politically correct, very biased and for the most part atheistic mass media to promote their cause. Obviously they have been very successful with you. You've probably presented every one of their talking points over the last couple of days.<br />Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-82617616900870559012015-07-25T07:26:07.137-07:002015-07-25T07:26:07.137-07:00Let me see if I have this straight.
1) God is in...Let me see if I have this straight. <br /><br />1) God is infallible. <br /><br />2) God said that homosexuals are to be stoned. <br /><br />3) Jesus said that they shouldn't be stoned but that they should repent and sin no more. <br /><br />4) Jesus is god. <br /><br />If god is infallible, why did he have to change his mind?William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-82192016405101301222015-07-25T07:15:57.891-07:002015-07-25T07:15:57.891-07:00"The truth of the matter is these people were..."<i>The truth of the matter is these people were originally assigned a different commissioner and rejected him. They requested Nichols as they knew he would refuse to perform the ceremony. They planned the situation to make an issue out of it. Their actions were both immature and despicable."</i><br /><br />I don't doubt that they intended to make a statement. This is often how issues are brought to the forefront. But by your argument Rosa Parks and the black teens at the Woolworths counter were immature and despicable. Are you sure that you want to go there?<br /><br />With regard to homosexuality, the only examples given of "oppression" of Christians who are claiming that they are only expressing their religious freedom are when people who provide public services refuse to do so on discriminatory grounds. Which is what Nichols did. He was denying to perform a service that he is obliged to provide, by law, if the couple meet the legal requirements. He didn't refuse because he had previous commitments that day; he refused because they were a same sex couple. <br /><br />Church weddings are a different thing. They may exclude people from church weddings for whatever reason, as they did for centuries for inter-racial and inter-faith couples. As much as I think these decisions are stupid and bigoted, the separation of church and state protects them. <br /><br />With regard to the Bible and slavery, calling it complicated doesn't excuse it. The fact is, the Bible does not prohibit one person from owning another person. If it did, why would it provide rules for doing so. By the way, just because a person is an atheist, don't assume that he has not read and understands the Bible. <br /><br />"<i>You also need to realize there is a homosexual lobby whose sole aim is to attack anyone who dares question their lifestyle."</i><br /><br />Of course there are lobbying efforts. Who has suggested otherwise. But the last time I looked, Christians still comprise more than 50% of North America, and homosexuals are around 2%. Either the homosexuals are exponentially smarter and more politically aware than Christians, or the Christian message opposed to homosexuality is so flawed that it is doomed to fail William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-50203645531806792042015-07-24T23:01:40.978-07:002015-07-24T23:01:40.978-07:00William,
"He refused to do something that hi...William,<br /><br />"He refused to do something that his job requires him to do,..."<br /><br />Wrong. At the time no Marriage Commissioner was required to marry anyone.<br /><br />The truth of the matter is these people were originally assigned a different commissioner and rejected him. They requested Nichols as they knew he would refuse to perform the ceremony. They planned the situation to make an issue out of it. Their actions were both immature and despicable.<br /><br />"By your logic, a Jehovah's Witness emergency rook doctor should be allowed to refuse to give a transfusion because it is against his religion."<br /><br />It would be against his religion to receive a blood transfusion, not administer one. Someone else would merely do it and the doctor would simply lose his hospital privileges. <br /><br />"Please quote the verse that says that slavery is a sin."<br /><br />It is a little more complicated than that which is why you need to do the suggested homework.<br /><br />"as long as you are not inciting hatred in doing so."<br /><br />How is it inciting hatred to refuse to perform a wedding ceremony? It was not Orville Nichols who made the situation public so how could he be guilty inciting hatred towards these people? <br /><br />How is it inciting hatred when you refuse to make a wedding cake? Again, it was not the bakers who made the event public, so why are they held responsible for inciting hatred?<br /><br />You really need to think these things through a little more precisely. You also need to realize there is a homosexual lobby whose sole aim is to attack anyone who dares question their lifestyle. Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-4093137407905624862015-07-24T21:56:10.053-07:002015-07-24T21:56:10.053-07:00"I expect in time (as has happened in history..."I expect in time (as has happened in history) the church will eventually change its stance on the matter"<br /><br />Not sure what significance this has if true. The "church" can chime in with pop culture all it wants. But that does not change what "the Word of God" says.<br /><br />Christ asked those who were anxious to stone the adulteress, that let the one who is without sin cast the first stone. They all walked away. He was left with her and remarked that no one had stoned her. He said neither did he condemn her for her adultery and fornication, but that she should go and SIN NO MORE. The theological concept here is clear. Christ is willing to forgive the sins of sinners. But they must REPENT. Meaning turn away from their sins and do their best to sin no more.<br /><br />Jesus quoted the Torah and the prophets throughout his ministry, according to the books of the New Testament. <br />Gives some the impression that even though silent on individuals having sex with others of the same sex, it seems likely he would condemn the practice if confronted with the question, based on what God his Father had to say about it in the earlier writings.<br /><br />But for those who seem sure that the Bible is fiction, and there is no biblical authority to be accountable to, then why bother discussing it with people who have those beliefs?<br /><br />God, thank you for your mercy. Continue to have mercy on us all. bpragmatichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00669603447496013312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-74390019540235698172015-07-24T16:35:52.861-07:002015-07-24T16:35:52.861-07:00Nic: "Orville Nichols"
Really? How was ...Nic: <i>"Orville Nichols"</i><br /><br />Really? How was he oppressed. He refused to do something that his job requires him to do and he paid the consequences. By your logic, a Jehovah's Witness emergency rook doctor should be allowed to refuse to give a transfusion because it is against his religion. <br /><br /><i>"Maybe a little bit of historical research and a few lessons in exegesis would be in order."</i><br /><br />OK, I admit that I could be wrong. Please quote the verse that says that slavery is a sin. <br /><br /><br /><i>"Really? Then why is it oppression when I criticize the views and actions of homosexuals."</i><br /><br />Who said it was. Certainly not me. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-76375802001319471432015-07-24T15:24:59.188-07:002015-07-24T15:24:59.188-07:00William,
"I don't know any such thing. D...William,<br /><br />"I don't know any such thing. Do you have any evidence?"<br /><br />Come on, grow up!<br /><br />"Name me a single Christian who's religious freedoms are being infringed upon because of your so called gay agenda."<br /><br />Orville Nichols. <br /><br />"You still have the right to be homophobic,..."<br /><br />I'm not afraid sameness. In case you didn't know that is what homophobia really means despite our society's want to have it mean something else. <br /><br />"But people criticizing you and your views is not oppression."<br /><br />Really? Then why is it oppression when I criticize the views and actions of homosexuals. My gosh man, do you really not see the double standards at play here?<br /><br />"Just because the Bible says something is a sin doesn't make it so."<br /><br />Ah, yeah it does. Not to you as an atheist for sure, but as atheism is the definition of illogical you really won't get far with that argument.<br /><br />"For example, the Bible never says that slavery is wrong, only that mistreating your slaves is."<br /><br />Maybe a little bit of historical research and a few lessons in exegesis would be in order. Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-38654872584073324102015-07-24T14:10:11.167-07:002015-07-24T14:10:11.167-07:00Nic: "It would not be mandatory to attend a h...Nic: "<i>It would not be mandatory to attend a heterosexual parade either, but if they acted as homosexuals do you know as well as I criminal charges would be laid."</i><br /><br />I don't know any such thing. Do you have any evidence?<br /><br />"<i>it is now those who speak out against it who are oppressed."</i><br /><br />Again, can you provide any examples? Keep in mind that suffering the consequences of breaking the law is not oppression. Name me a single Christian who's religious freedoms are being infringed upon because of your so called gay agenda. <br /><br />You still have the right to be homophobic and racist and sexist, and even to speak out about it, as long as you are not inciting hatred in doing so. But people criticizing you and your views is not oppression. <br /><br />Just because the Bible says something is a sin doesn't make it so. The Bible was written by men many centuries ago. It has many things in it that are praiseworthy and many that we find abhorrent today. For example, the Bible never says that slavery is wrong, only that mistreating your slaves is. <br /><br />William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-81972803172825888692015-07-24T13:19:12.003-07:002015-07-24T13:19:12.003-07:00William,
"I think that you mean "which ...William,<br /><br />"I think that you mean "which by your standard is deviant."<br /><br />Nope, I meant what I said.<br /><br />"The last time I looked, nobody has made attendance at a gay pride parade mandatory. If it makes you uncomfortable, don't attend one."<br /><br />Attendance at any parade is not mandatory, but that is completely irrelevant to my argument and I think you know it. It would not be mandatory to attend a heterosexual parade either, but if they acted as homosexuals do you know as well as I criminal charges would be laid. Please, don't try and deny there is not a double standard in play. Mardis Gras and Carnival parades are mild in comparison and you well know it.<br /><br />"If you are referring to the spread of disease, that applies to any promiscuous activity (gay or straight)"<br /><br />One form of deviant behaviour does not justify another. Heterosexual promiscuity is no better than homosexual promiscuity. They both carry with them large and unhappy consequences.<br /><br />"If you are talking about the higher suicide rates for homosexuals, don't you think that this may be due to a large extent by the marginilization and treatment that is still prevalent in society?"<br /><br />I'm sure that is the reason behind many of the suicides in the homosexual community. However, there are many which stem from the unhappiness of not being able to overcome the obsession of homosexuality. <br /><br />"I agree. In fact, Jesus did not say anything about homosexuality."<br /><br />But he did talk extensively about sin and homosexuality is very clearly put in that category throughout the Bible. As well, Jesus' silence on a subject cannot be construed as approval. Jesus does not speak of pedophilia either, are we to assume his silence means it is okay?Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-41909331468188035202015-07-24T12:54:33.899-07:002015-07-24T12:54:33.899-07:00Of course most homosexuals believe they have alway...<i>Of course most homosexuals believe they have always been that way and were indeed born that way. Just because you believe it does not make it true.</i><br /><br />What is your evidence for believing that gay people choose to be this way? I appreciate that it is what you believe, but where is the evidence for this? Again, is this what your preacher told you?<br /><br />So even though every gay person you ask will tell you categorically, no, they did not choose to be gay, you'll still going to believe they did? <br /><br />It's an amazing feat of cognitive dissonance!! But then if you're going to believe everything in religious scripture is true, I suppose one gets quite good at it! If my religious book tells me the moon is green, then it is must be green and it is all of us that can't see right!<br /><br />I think if I was a gay person living in the middle east I think yes I would really be an oppressed group since my very life would be in question. <br /><br />But it isn't about who is oppressed or who isn't, is about people having equal rights - in this case the freedom to marry who they want. You still have the right to speak against it of course and should if that's what you think. <br /><br />I think I will let Pope Francis have the final word...paraphrasing:<br /><br />"That the Catholic Church’s moral edifice might “fall like a house of cards” if it doesn’t balance its divisive rules about abortion, gays and contraception with the greater need to make the church a merciful, more welcoming place for all."<br /><br />Obviously as we have seen in this discussion it's very hard for opposing sides to come to any kind of agreement on issues like abortions and gays. <br /><br />Which was my point earlier - perhaps if the church did less moralizing and telling people how not to live their lives, and become more welcoming and about what their faith could do for them, well maybe there'd be more that are willing to listen. For example, when people like Nic just black-and-what categorize gays as "deviants" it's hard to see there is any real concern or reaching out. Why would any gay person want to go visit his church?<br /><br />For me in the USA I know all about what the church does not approve of. But I see and hear little of the good that it could do. <br /><br />TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-60579693466364186612015-07-24T12:27:26.169-07:002015-07-24T12:27:26.169-07:00JD,
"Why don't you ask your gay friends ...JD,<br /><br />"Why don't you ask your gay friends and family members when they made a choice to be gay?"<br /><br />Nice try, but no cigar.<br /><br />Of course most homosexuals believe they have always been that way and were indeed born that way. Just because you believe it does not make it true.<br /><br />"I really doubt that you have really had any real contact with gay people to understand their perspective,..."<br /><br />Of course you're free to believe what you want, but you would be wrong.<br /><br />"And the sky isn't going to fall in either."<br /><br />It will eventually, but not over this question alone.<br /><br />"It's when religious groups impose their views on others via legislation that it becomes a problem."<br /><br />Are you living in an alternate reality? When was the last time a homosexual had his business shut down due to personal beliefs and ordered to pay tens of thousands of dollars in penalties? Please, join the real world, it's the homosexual lobby which is imposing their views upon religious groups via legislation. To say anything negative about the homosexual lifestyle is to court charges of hate speech.<br /><br />A few years ago a Canadian Member of Parliament who was a licensed medical doctor was threatened with legal action for reading from a medical text book on the consequences of homosexual activity. He was spared due the immunity awarded to speech within the Commons Chamber.<br /><br />So please, do not try to argue that homosexuals are an oppressed group. That ship sailed a long time ago. It is now those who dare to speak against it who are oppressed, and the oppressors do so with impunity.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-25848117287898175562015-07-24T12:06:34.118-07:002015-07-24T12:06:34.118-07:00William,
"Does this mean that you are expect...William,<br /><br />"Does this mean that you are expected to use this free mind to develop your own opinions of right and wrong, moral and amoral, even if it contradicts what the Bible says?"<br /><br />It means I was given free will. It means I am able to make choices, but those choices may not always be correct. It obviously means you can make choices which contradict the Bible, people do it all the time.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-25895928166826501152015-07-24T10:46:48.657-07:002015-07-24T10:46:48.657-07:00t is not innate, it is a choice.
Why don't yo...t is not innate, it is a choice.<br /><br />Why don't you ask your gay friends and family members when they made a choice to be gay?<br /><br />Why would anywhere want to choose to be gay when there are people in the world ready to hate and kill them?<br /><br />When do you choose to be straight? <br /><br />Sorry but the studies and evidence point to the fact that homosexuality is very much not a choice. <br /><br />I really doubt that you have really had any real contact with gay people to understand their perspective, but instead you just seem to be parroting what you have heard from the pulpit. <br /><br />But fortunately society is becoming more accepting. Perhaps too it will help people view the Bible and religion in a less literalist way. And the sky isn't going to fall in either.<br /><br />Who said anything about putting in jail? Actually I really don't have any issue with free speech on this matter, even to the point of political incorrectness. It's when religious groups impose their views on others via legislation that it becomes a problem.TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-12011540344713998122015-07-24T10:45:42.464-07:002015-07-24T10:45:42.464-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-89708219819753248742015-07-24T10:34:37.539-07:002015-07-24T10:34:37.539-07:00NIc: "I'm sorry, I was given a free mind ...NIc: <i>"I'm sorry, I was given a free mind by God and I am expected to use it, not just go the way of everyone else."</i><br /><br />Does this mean that you are expected to use this free mind to develop your own opinions of right and wrong, moral and amoral, even if it contradicts what the Bible says?<br />William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-44191201163124283042015-07-24T10:27:25.211-07:002015-07-24T10:27:25.211-07:00JD,
"But recognizing that homosexuality is a...JD,<br /><br />"But recognizing that homosexuality is an innate condition that happens to a certain percentage of the population."<br /><br />It is not innate, it is a choice.<br /><br />"and one that occurs in other species."<br /><br />Palpable nonsense.<br /><br />"73% of millenials,..."<br /><br />Millenials do not constitute a majority.<br /><br />"I have no issue that your religion takes a contrary view,..." <br /><br />That's sincerely decent of you. However many in the homosexual lobby do not share that attitude and would love to see me and others put in jail for our refusal to accept their lifestyle. <br /><br />It is a perverse irony that the ones who scream for tolerance are the ones who are the least tolerant.<br /><br />"then expect people to push back on you."<br /><br />It was the homosexual lobby who started the pushing. How quickly we like to re-write history to suit our ends.<br /><br />"And like it or not, gay marriage is now here to stay in the USA."<br /><br />Even if true, it does not make it acceptable. As is always the case there will be that portion of the church which will alter its stance to satisfy the world. I am not part of that church.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-41868783173047660092015-07-24T10:11:53.329-07:002015-07-24T10:11:53.329-07:00I'm sorry, I was given a free mind by God and ...<i>I'm sorry, I was given a free mind by God and I am expected to use it, not just go the way of everyone else. If you wish to make your moral decisions based on what is currently the trend that's your prerogative. </i><br /><br />It's not about accepting trends. But recognizing that homosexuality is an innate condition that happens to a certain percentage of the population. Rather than persecuting and demonizing these people or damage them further with "conversion therapy" (which has been ruled by several courts as damaging), it is better to respect that this is an immutable condition (and one that occurs in other species).<br /><br />No, I don't think you are in the majority. Google Pew Reports on Gay Marriage. In 2015 poll suggest that 73% of millenials support gay marriage. <br /><br />I have no issue that your religion takes a contrary view and in the USA that is absolutely your right, and even to stand up and speak up too! But if that stand involves restricting or removing other people;s rights who do not share your religious beliefs, yes then expect people to push back on you. <br /><br />And like it or not, gay marriage is now here to stay in the USA. I expect in time (as has happened in history) the church will eventually change its stance on the matter - even the Pope has realized a new attitude is needed, and demonizing people is not helpful for either side. <br /><br />TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.com