tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post3402896832593898864..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: De Novo Genes: Criticism From Nick MatzkeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-63112097121789536492009-12-07T07:20:51.676-08:002009-12-07T07:20:51.676-08:00Cornelius said "he "way forward" is...Cornelius said "he "way forward" is for you to take your religion home. That is my suggestion. Your theory is not a "fact," you are not contributing to science, and you are consuming our tax dollars. Real science does just fine without your silly theories of origins. It is astonishing that evolutionists use this "you haven't solved our problem for us" canard. They ought to be returning the taxpayer's money."<br /><br />I guess by "you" and "your" you are lumping me into the general category of evolutionists (or probably "Darwinists" which is your preferred term I think). But I'm actually not a scientist, just a curious bystander. So I'm personally not consuming any taxpayer money. And besides, don't many evolutionary biologists work for private universities?<br /><br />As to "Real science" - can you give us an example of what you think qualifies here? Perhaps even an example of the kind of science that you do? (other than highlight text in bold font?)TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-19810793910027463812009-12-06T22:03:48.006-08:002009-12-06T22:03:48.006-08:00"What is exasperating with Cornelius is his u..."What is exasperating with Cornelius is his utter reluctance to even offer a way forward - either through a speculative hypothesis (and after all scientists speculate all the time), or perhaps some ideas for further research to move in a different direction."<br /><br /><br />The "way forward" is for you to take your religion home. That is my suggestion. Your theory is not a "fact," you are not contributing to science, and you are consuming our tax dollars. Real science does just fine without your silly theories of origins. It is astonishing that evolutionists use this "you haven't solved our problem for us" canard. They ought to be returning the taxpayer's money.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-86730620405266598452009-12-06T16:28:41.887-08:002009-12-06T16:28:41.887-08:00Steve said: "It really does sound like you a...Steve said: "It really does sound like you are saying "So what if my explanation is flawed, at least I have one!" Maybe I am reading you wrong on this."<br /><br />I think I'm comfortable with there not being an adequate explanation. After all it is better to say "I don't know" rather than just make something up. <br /><br />What is exasperating with Cornelius is his utter reluctance to even offer a way forward - either through a speculative hypothesis (and after all scientists speculate all the time), or perhaps some ideas for further research to move in a different direction. <br /><br />Science does not move forward or make progress simply by making a vacuum. The history of science is replete with examples of Incorrect and bad theories are not just simply removed, but are placed with ones that work better.TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-32452675076233739832009-12-06T16:22:49.006-08:002009-12-06T16:22:49.006-08:00Nick Matzke said: "as with many creationists,...Nick Matzke said: "as with many creationists, Hunter thinks his ridiculous little trope is actually a silver bullet that can be used to effortlessly kill any evolutionary evidence, thus saving his tender innocent brain the trauma of actually having to come up with a better explanation than the evolutionary one."<br /><br />I don't know whether Matzke is right to call Cornelius a creationist. But on the other hand Cornelius is so completely oblique about what he thinks (other than of course criticize evolution), it is hard to say. <br /><br />I think Matzke's point about Cornelius not coming up with an better explanation is a valid one - and one that numerous people bring up on this very blog all the time. It seems the best "alternative" Cornelius can come up with is to say that evolution of the T-urf13 gene is "highly unlike". That seems about it.TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-59991761096926126942009-12-06T16:20:49.515-08:002009-12-06T16:20:49.515-08:00CWest,
I think that Hunter is trying to get you, ...CWest,<br /><br />I think that Hunter is trying to get you, I, and others to question why there <i>must</i> be an explanation coexistant with description <i>all the time</i>. <br /><br />It really does sound like you are saying "So what if my explanation is flawed, at least I have one!" Maybe I am reading you wrong on this.<br /><br />Hunter's pointing out that this must-have-explanation idea is not a scientific one, but a philosophy about how science should be done. He does not share the same philosophy. He thinks you can have a desciption and not a coexistant explanation. In others words, he wants to learn more, before committing to the modern evolutionary synthesis. So for the time being, description sans explanation. You have to admit, once a scientist commits to a model, it is near impossible to dislodge it (hence Popper).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01906730854220009624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-42197166028407483432009-12-06T14:51:44.350-08:002009-12-06T14:51:44.350-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-65781100195319818252009-12-02T17:40:08.721-08:002009-12-02T17:40:08.721-08:00Could it be an epigenetic thing?Could it be an epigenetic thing?natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-73037161374148848492009-12-02T14:52:30.760-08:002009-12-02T14:52:30.760-08:00Dr. Hunter,
I have 2 questions for you,
1) Are ...Dr. Hunter,<br /><br />I have 2 questions for you,<br /><br /> 1) Are ORFan genes related to de novo genes?<br /><br />2) Wouldn't ORFans produce novel proteins for the species that have them?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01906730854220009624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-34857912664414972772009-12-02T14:51:39.757-08:002009-12-02T14:51:39.757-08:00This has also been my experience as I have interac...This has also been my experience as I have interacted for several months at the “Science and the Sacred” blog of the BioLogos Foundation. Although I am not equipped to deal with scientific details, I did challenge them Biblically and philosophically. Their pleasant facades soon dissolved into personal attacks and “bait-and-switch” tactics, shifting the discussion in young-earth-creationism – something I had never broached.Daniel Mannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13952453459481872105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-26904674322422165512009-12-02T08:13:11.979-08:002009-12-02T08:13:11.979-08:00You are exactly right.
Evolutionists never really...You are exactly right.<br /><br />Evolutionists never really get at the real evidence for "macroevolution". Why?<br /><br />The rage now being covered by SOME of the media is "climategate". This scandal shows that even cherished "PEER REVIEWED!" science can be agenda driven and not evidence driven.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-39586294504562095402009-12-02T01:49:51.701-08:002009-12-02T01:49:51.701-08:00Nick Matzke is a political activist, so distortion...Nick Matzke is a political activist, so distortions and half truths are not only permitted but expected.inunisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01674429421276380675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-40478319754208797002009-12-02T01:16:55.262-08:002009-12-02T01:16:55.262-08:00I think you hit a nerve, Dr Hunter.I think you hit a nerve, Dr Hunter.National Velourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15142359587875219081noreply@blogger.com