tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post1966026327203421309..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Jim Stump: “I almost felt sorry for design advocates”Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger129125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-89441423111664772532015-08-08T17:33:53.830-07:002015-08-08T17:33:53.830-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Pedanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12656298969231453877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-44777778793213476982015-08-08T17:33:41.971-07:002015-08-08T17:33:41.971-07:00Nic, what is your method for distinguishing true g...Nic, what is your method for distinguishing true gods from false gods?Pedanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12656298969231453877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-57426017573668789852015-08-07T03:10:38.647-07:002015-08-07T03:10:38.647-07:00Ghostrider:
The study says that they look at the ...Ghostrider:<br /><br />The study says that they look at the fossil whales. They assume that these are ancestors of modern whales. Then they say that if these really are the ancestors of modern whales we should see certain things when we look at the DNA. It turns out the these are not the ancestors of modern whales. The real ancestors haven't been found yet.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07989587603064652727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-4757052265350323552015-08-06T14:58:25.901-07:002015-08-06T14:58:25.901-07:00Alethinon61,
"No one in his right mind hones...Alethinon61,<br /><br />"No one in his right mind honestly believes that a biological outboard motor self-assembles without that ingredient."<br /><br />No one in his right mind believes anything in biology assembles and functions without intelligence behind it.<br /><br />The simple truth is none of this is about the science, it is about world views. Evolutionists cannot bring themselves to even entertain the possibility of design because of the obvious consequences to their belief system. It is this absolute adherence to the denial of intelligence that leads to the completely illogical and foolish arguments which so commonly pop up.<br /><br />If you go look at some of the sites ghostrider references you will fall off your chair with laughter. One he recently listed still talks about the difference between the genetic codes of chimps and humans being only 1%. It's mind boggling to think a web page which prides itself on presenting sound science is so incredibly out of date. It's amazing what can result from willful ignorance. Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-78906432866602109022015-08-06T11:55:11.541-07:002015-08-06T11:55:11.541-07:00ghostrider,
"I know you didn't read the ...ghostrider,<br /><br />"I know you didn't read the article because everything you've claimed it said is wrong."<br /><br />I guess that proves it is actually you who has not read the article. Doesn't surprise me at all.<br /><br />"There are also thousands of colleges, universities, natural history museums where you can learn about and see the evidence. There are hundreds of good web sites too where you can educate yourself."<br /><br />You're such an arrogant fool. Do you really believe that everyone who reads these papers, visits museums or visits websites will simply be overwhelmed by the presentations and be forced to bow the knee to evolution? It's obvious you have. Others have the ability to question and think for themselves.<br /><br />Do you really fall for the idea that a vast quantity of papers, universities and websites promoting evolution actually makes it true? I have studied the subject, from both perspectives, as I used to think like you until I started looking at the facts with an open mind. Presuppositions can be very powerful and will prevent you from seeing what is actually very obvious if you will step back and look on it objectively. It is obvious this is something you have never done.<br /><br />I know how fossils are dated and I know how rocks are dated and I also know it can become very circular. Obviously you do not know the processes or you would have simply answered my questions vis a vis isotopes. <br /><br />You've indulged in the kool-aid, don't think everyone else must do so as well. The willful ignorance is wholly on your part. It is something you have demonstrated repeatedly.<br /><br />I'll ask one more time, how are your assignments going? Have you figured out the functional difference in the swimming styles of fish and whales? Have you figured out a way to demonstrate the transition of a reptile to a non-reptile?<br /><br />The answer, no, because you have absolutely no clue where to start with either problem. Your critical thinking skills will not allow you to take on anything which requires any level of thought.<br /><br />You constantly present yourself as so well informed on this subject and the truth is you know nothing much at all about any aspect of the whole debate. Rhetoric and insults is all you've ever presented and all you've got.<br /><br />You know ghostrider, if you actually read the little cut and paste references you send out to people you might learn something. But no, you wouldn't want that to happen as it might upset your fantasy.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-88216133472469054402015-08-06T10:44:26.369-07:002015-08-06T10:44:26.369-07:00Nic
I don't think you realize I really don...<i>Nic<br /><br />I don't think you realize I really don't care if you believe I read the article or not.</i><br /><br />I know you didn't read the article because everything you've claimed it said is wrong. But hey, if you think lying for Jesus will help get you into heaven who I am to judge?<br /><br /><i>I'll take that to mean you don't know.</i><br /><br />It means you don't have the faintest clue of how radiometric dating is done and how it is used in paleontology. Here, read these to cure your ignorance.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html" rel="nofollow">Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE1aAtomicclocks.shtml" rel="nofollow">How fossils are dated</a><br /><br /><i>How about you provide some of that for evolution? </i><br /><br />I already did. You ignored it. There are also thousands of colleges, universities, natural history museums where you can learn about and see the evidence. There are hundreds of good web sites too where you can educate yourself. But you won't. You're happy in your willful ignorance.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-87438410718362055412015-08-06T09:11:17.575-07:002015-08-06T09:11:17.575-07:00Nats:"The bacterium assembles the flagellum i...Nats:"The bacterium assembles the flagellum ina very painstaking, methodical fashion. It doesn't self-assemble."<br />Actually, if I understand correctly, it does. The technology for assembly is part of the makeup of the proteins involved. 'Far more advanced engineering than I am capable of.bFasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13584931926133025618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-91605390997669132992015-08-06T07:29:18.012-07:002015-08-06T07:29:18.012-07:00ghostrider,
Nic: "What isotope would they lo...ghostrider,<br /><br />Nic: "What isotope would they look for in the fossils?"<br /><br />ghostrider: "I see you're just as ignorant of basic physics as you are of biology, paleontology, and genetics. You were home schooled, right?"<br /><br />I'll take that to mean you don't know. Not unexpected.<br /><br />"Where is your demonstration of "design" in biological life?"<br /><br />Too you, nowhere. It wouldn't matter one iota what anybody presented to you as evidence for design, you would not accept it. To you it is all just one massive stroke of luck that has been on a roll for billions of years. With a mind set like that how does one expect any kind of logic to penetrate?<br /><br />"Lying for Jesus again. Pity."<br /><br />I don't think you realize I really don't care if you believe I read the article or not. I know I did and whether you believe that or not does not change the facts. What's bugging you is that I did read it and found it wanting and that ticks you off as you were under the impression I would be scared off by all the tripe it contained. Sorry. <br /><br />"Claiming "design" isn't an explanation any more than claiming "magic!" is an explanation."<br /><br />But claiming evolution did it is. Absolutely incredible how your little mind works.<br /><br />"An explanation provides some detail, such as the mechanisms used for manufacture, the materials, the timeline, and the identity of the designer."<br /><br />How about you provide some of that for evolution? Actually you still have a couple of assignments that still need to be completed. Remember?<br /><br />There is the one on whale propulsion and its functional difference to fish propulsion, and the transformation of a reptile to a non-reptile via genetic drift, mutation, or whatever your imagination can cook up. Maybe you should complete those before taking on anything more.<br /><br />But then again, you haven't got a clue about either of them so I will not be expecting an answer, just more insults.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-45309353883901321612015-08-06T07:08:08.320-07:002015-08-06T07:08:08.320-07:00Nic
Sorry, I did read it
Lying for Jesus again. ...<i>Nic<br /><br />Sorry, I did read it</i><br /><br />Lying for Jesus again. Pity.<br /><br /><i>That can be easily explained via design.</i><br /><br />Where is your <b>demonstration</b> of "design" in biological life?<br /><br />Claiming "design" isn't an explanation any more than claiming "magic!" is an explanation. An explanation provides some detail, such as the mechanisms used for manufacture, the materials, the timeline, and the identity of the designer. "Design" is the ignorant creationist one-size-fits-all excuse.<br /><br /><i>What isotope would they look for in the fossils?</i><br /><br />I see you're just as ignorant of basic physics as you are of biology, paleontology, and genetics. You were home schooled, right?Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-39404804459931692232015-08-06T06:58:17.472-07:002015-08-06T06:58:17.472-07:00Alethinon61
Do the programmers at Microsoft get p...<i>Alethinon61<br /><br />Do the programmers at Microsoft get personally involved in the painstaking methodical processes that Windows goes through every time you turn on your computer to read Cornelius's blog? </i><br /><br />(facepalm) OK, you really <b>don't</b> understand the difference between an analogy (like software for genetic functionality) and the actual item.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-1005320191582686682015-08-06T05:11:01.389-07:002015-08-06T05:11:01.389-07:00William:
The bacterial cell has a very complex me...William:<br /><br />The bacterial cell has a very complex mechanism for assembling the flagellum. When G-d created the first bacteria, he designed that mechanism. Ever since then when bacteria reproduce they reproduce that mechanism as well. The flagellum itself doesn't self assemble. natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-47482159407263244762015-08-06T05:06:48.222-07:002015-08-06T05:06:48.222-07:00The bacterium finctions in a way hat is similar. ...The bacterium finctions in a way hat is similar. It follows similar laws. They both consist of interacting parts that have be present. You see,. we leanr certain things when we designa nd manufacture outboard motors. For example, they don't assemble or design themselves. That principal is applicable to flagellum.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-78823493568423353932015-08-06T02:49:35.227-07:002015-08-06T02:49:35.227-07:00Nats:"The bacterium assembles the flagellum i...Nats:"The bacterium assembles the flagellum ina very painstaking, methodical fashion. It doesn't self-assemble."<br /><br />WS: "Really? Who assembles it? Does god get involved in the assembly of every flagellum? Is that really the argument that you want to make?"<br /><br />Do the programmers at Microsoft get personally involved in the painstaking methodical processes that Windows goes through every time you turn on your computer to read Cornelius's blog? <br /><br />http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/03/michael_behe_hasnt_been_refute044801.htmlAlethinon61https://www.blogger.com/profile/09826280552590911315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-65931667184095607262015-08-06T02:44:11.827-07:002015-08-06T02:44:11.827-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Alethinon61https://www.blogger.com/profile/09826280552590911315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-53631397366531946962015-08-05T19:47:31.957-07:002015-08-05T19:47:31.957-07:00ghostrider,
"All that mouthy bluster and you...ghostrider,<br /><br />"All that mouthy bluster and you still didn't read the paper. Instead you did exactly what I knew you'd do - vomit up the same tired creationist cowardly excuses while evading all questions AGAIN."<br /><br />Sorry, I did read it, completely. It was not at all convincing. It was simply more story telling chock full of could have, might have, perhaps, possibly, perhaps, ad nauseum. Just like virtually every paper on evolution.<br /><br />"You were suppose to provide your non-evolutionary explanation for the fossil and genetic congruence described in the paper, remember?"<br /><br />That's not hard at all. That can be easily explained via design. Genetic congruence would be the very thing one would expect from design. I don't know why you would think that was a game changer.<br /><br />"Not just hand-wave away the evolutionary explanation."<br /><br />Actually ghostrider, all I need to do is show your explanation is not sound. I don't need to supply an alternative. Your explanation could be the only one presently available and if it can be shown to be unsustainable being the only game in town doesn't save it.<br /><br />I know that's hard for you to grasp, but, too bad for you. <br /><br />"As usual all you did was stain another pair of shorts."<br /><br />I really don't understand your childishness. Do you think your ignorant little comments are funny? All it does is shine a spotlight on your immaturity.<br /><br />"It was determined by radiometric dating."<br /><br />What isotope would they look for in the fossils?<br /><br />How's your homework coming? You've had a lot of time to work on those questions, especially the propulsion problem, and yet I get nothing back but crude comments. Why is that Mr. Science?<br /><br />Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-11268832145787851032015-08-05T17:48:21.844-07:002015-08-05T17:48:21.844-07:00Alethinon61
No one in his right mind honestly bel...<i>Alethinon61<br /><br />No one in his right mind honestly believes that a biological outboard motor self-assembles</i><br /><br />No one in science thinks a bacteria flagella is a biological outboard motor. People sometimes use the simple <b>analogy</b> of an outboard motor to explain the propulsion concept to laymen but that's not the same thing. Do you really not understand the difference between an analogy and the real item?Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-18148631338317453392015-08-05T17:42:10.945-07:002015-08-05T17:42:10.945-07:00natschuster
It means that the semi-aquatic whales...<i>natschuster<br /><br />It means that the semi-aquatic whales mentioned in the study are not really the ancestors of whales.</i><br /><br />What extinct cetacean species are you talking about exactly? There are multiple lineages leading to the various species of extant whales.<br /><br />I suspect you are misremembering some made up creationist garbage you got from AIG or ICR.<br /><br /><i>This means that the whole premise of the study, which claims to match DNA evidence with the fossils has no basis</i><br /><br />It means you read something you don't understand.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-39718346424309183292015-08-05T17:37:05.854-07:002015-08-05T17:37:05.854-07:00Nic
Well, I must say I'm not surprised. It...<i>Nic<br /><br />Well, I must say I'm not surprised. It's your typical evolutionary research paper.</i><br /><br />All that mouthy bluster and you <b>still</b> didn't read the paper. Instead you did exactly what I knew you'd do - vomit up the same tired creationist cowardly excuses while evading all questions <b>AGAIN.</b> You were suppose to provide <b>your</b> non-evolutionary explanation for the fossil and genetic congruence described in the paper, remember? Not just hand-wave away the evolutionary explanation. As usual all you did was stain another pair of shorts.<br /><br /><i>The relative placement of fossils does not necessarily reflect an ascending timeline.</i><br /><br />The fossil timeline wasn't determined by relative placement. It was determined by radiometric dating. But you didn't read the paper so you wouldn't know. Since you say all those animals died at the same time 4500 years ago why don't they all date the same? How did the Flood manage to sort sediment by isotopic ratio? <br /><br />Nic the tool. Never time to learn the science, always time to run the mouth then run from questions.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-59759139230481119582015-08-05T17:30:22.157-07:002015-08-05T17:30:22.157-07:00@Nic,
One of the clues that Darwinism isn't r...@Nic,<br /><br />One of the clues that Darwinism isn't really a scientific theory is how it's proponents fear allowing that there may be teleology in biology. Many embrace the "random" in "random variations" even though they really don't know whether all variations are in fact "random". Simply saying "variations" doesn't deliberately exclude the possibility of design and purpose.<br /><br />I think that simple questions like the one I asked amplify the congnative dissonance that the other side experiences, even if they won't admit it to themselves. No one in his right mind honestly believes that a biological outboard motor self-assembles without that ingredient that ghostrider couldn't even bring herself to type;-)<br /><br />~Sean GarriganAlethinon61https://www.blogger.com/profile/09826280552590911315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-75862012900414867332015-08-05T17:09:12.139-07:002015-08-05T17:09:12.139-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Pedanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12656298969231453877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-64724785556503089482015-08-05T17:09:05.753-07:002015-08-05T17:09:05.753-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Pedanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12656298969231453877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-4479200361584890272015-08-05T17:08:32.258-07:002015-08-05T17:08:32.258-07:00I think the answer is that God delegated the assem...I think the answer is that God delegated the assembly to the bacterium. He inserted the assembly instructions in the DNA.Pedanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12656298969231453877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-60906742271801258312015-08-05T17:02:09.787-07:002015-08-05T17:02:09.787-07:00Nic, what is your method for distinguishing true g...Nic, what is your method for distinguishing true gods from false gods?<br /><br />Bear in mind that your method must be objective, not based on your personal history.Pedanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12656298969231453877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-81285084864544932672015-08-05T16:55:01.410-07:002015-08-05T16:55:01.410-07:00Nats:"The bacterium assembles the flagellum i...Nats:<i>"The bacterium assembles the flagellum ina very painstaking, methodical fashion. It doesn't self-assemble."</i><br /><br />Really? Who assembles it? Does god get involved in the assembly of every flagellum? Is that really the argument that you want to make? If so, given the massive workload that you have dumped on him, who is going to answer my prayer? I really was hoping to afford a new Mustang. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-73949056318038420222015-08-05T16:42:16.568-07:002015-08-05T16:42:16.568-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Alethinon61https://www.blogger.com/profile/09826280552590911315noreply@blogger.com