tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post1902619822185804933..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Elliott Sober and the EnemyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger143125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-72091481907044829182010-12-16T04:44:41.514-08:002010-12-16T04:44:41.514-08:00Eocene said...
Thorton:
"If you hav...<i>Eocene said...<br /><br /> Thorton:<br /><br /> "If you have evidence that deforestation causes earthquakes and volcanism, post the titles of the appropriate papers. If you don't, keep making weak empty excuses."<br /> =====<br /><br /> Thanks Rush Limbaugh!!!</i><br /><br />OK, then you admit you have no such evidence. Not that anyone expected you to back up the inane bluster. Your record here is intact.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-13440917821998571982010-12-16T03:27:48.940-08:002010-12-16T03:27:48.940-08:00Thorton:
This is revealing. You may be a card car...Thorton:<br /><br />This is revealing. You may be a card carrying left wing extremist, but on this issue of Global Climate Change you are definitely expossed as a closet Born Again Fundie suck up Republican. Thanks for sharing that. You also clearly have no clue as to how ecosystems work and their connections to geological machinery that drives our planet. At least you can take comfort in the fact that you are amongst the majority of elites. Here's a hint Thorny, it's not about the science, it's about the MONIE$$$$$$$ LOL<br />-----<br /><br />Thorton:<br /><br />"If you have evidence that deforestation causes earthquakes and volcanism, post the titles of the appropriate papers. If you don't, keep making weak empty excuses."<br />=====<br /><br />Thanks Rush Limbaugh!!!Eocenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350463133321355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-12660149252691646822010-12-15T11:25:32.463-08:002010-12-15T11:25:32.463-08:00Eocene said...
Thorton:
"Eocene, si...<i>Eocene said...<br /><br /> Thorton:<br /><br /> "Eocene, since we both know you don't have the data just man up and admit it. Watching you post walls of text denying that you can't post a simple title is embarrassing."<br /> =====<br /><br /> Google CO2 increase, global warming and increase in Earthquakes and volcanism. Seriously, you argue as some kool-aid drinking fundie who waits for what to think by listening to Rush Limbaugh.</i><br /><br />No. If you have evidence that deforestation <b>causes</b> earthquakes and volcanism, post the titles of the appropriate papers. If you don't, keep making weak empty excuses.<br /><br /><i>I'm NOT posting anything on this subject anymore for you to just figuratively spit and urinate on it in the end</i><br /><br />Since you haven't posted any evidence to support your claims in the first place, you might as well flounce out and keep your record intact.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-53453536738702296432010-12-15T09:10:08.908-08:002010-12-15T09:10:08.908-08:00Thorton:
"Eocene, since we both know you don...Thorton:<br /><br />"Eocene, since we both know you don't have the data just man up and admit it. Watching you post walls of text denying that you can't post a simple title is embarrassing."<br />=====<br /><br />Google CO2 increase, global warming and increase in Earthquakes and volcanism. Seriously, you argue as some kool-aid drinking fundie who waits for what to think by listening to Rush Limbaugh.<br /><br />I'm NOT posting anything on this subject anymore for you to just figuratively spit and urinate on it in the end. You are the one making this politcal , philosophical and religious and the present degenerative conditions on this planet couldn't care less about your left wing extremism leanings or the right-wing extremism you love to hate. Nature is dumped on by both Kamps.<br /><br />Everytime you publish any future post where you stamp your feet and throw a little girl fit about erased or deleted posts, you also deserved to by called a liar using your own low grade standard.<br /><br />Nice try again!!!Eocenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350463133321355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-32243776710976451592010-12-15T06:39:14.126-08:002010-12-15T06:39:14.126-08:00Eocene, since we both know you don't have the ...Eocene, since we both know you don't have the data just man up and admit it. Watching you post walls of text denying that you can't post a simple title is embarrassing.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-6819543298892569292010-12-15T02:25:36.191-08:002010-12-15T02:25:36.191-08:00Scott:
"Actions have consequences. You'r...Scott:<br /><br />"Actions have consequences. You're assuming that actions only have negative consequence when they diverge from instructions of your holy book. The obvious problem here is that this is fallacious reasoning. Actions motivated by the best of intentions, but based on ignorance, can have substantial negative consequences and actions motivated by the worst intentions can have neutral or positive consequences. Unless we're all knowing, which were obviously not, then the outcome need not match our intentions.<br /><br />Furthermore, we keep hearing that the Bible was intentionally not written as a science book. If so, is our inability to convert even a fraction of the 120,000 terrawats of clean and sustainable energy received from the sun, which could easily meet the 15 terrawats of energy we globally consume every year, part of God's plan? Is this omission irrelevant to climate change?"<br />=====<br /><br />Wow, two large paragraphs that fall off reality and into the illusional world of MAYA(Moon Goddess) world and give us nothing of value or import.<br />-----<br /><br />Scott:<br /><br />"Again, it seems you exist in some fact-free zone where the reality of consequences and actions magically disappear should they be inconvenient for your theological views."<br />=====<br /><br />I'm actually curious here why you and Thorton are posing as closet right-wing republican Fundies on this issues ??? The info is fascinating and supports your side of the Global Warming / Climate Change political issue. I use the term "political" because as usual none of these debates ever have anything to do with science for either ClimateGate debaters. Seriously, neither side really cares. As Pedant truthfully stated, it about ideology, philosophy, religion & politics. Science is an excuse and justification for nothing more than pathetic worldviews which have created these environmental disaster problems in the first place.Eocenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350463133321355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-44053772758678391882010-12-15T02:05:07.098-08:002010-12-15T02:05:07.098-08:00Thorton:
"You could easily post that info if...Thorton:<br /><br />"You could easily post that info if you had it, but you don't. So you make up BS excuses. Pathetic."<br /><br />Look in the mirror buffoon.<br /><br />Thorton:<br />""Another post of mine just vanished.<br /><br />If someone doesn't fix the disappearing post problem this whole blog can kiss off."<br />-----<br /><br />No way, you must be lying!!!Eocenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350463133321355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-53847456049931507382010-12-14T13:35:29.877-08:002010-12-14T13:35:29.877-08:00Eocene said...
Thorton:
"What a pat...<i>Eocene said...<br /><br /> Thorton:<br /><br /> "What a pathetic excuse."<br /> ====<br /><br /> Really ???</i><br /><br />Yes really. No need to post another huge wall of text or actual links. Just type in the title of the paper(s) and author that show deforestation <b>causes</b> earthquakes and volcanism. Simple short posts don't disappear.<br /><br />You could easily post that info if you had it, but you don't. So you make up BS excuses. Pathetic.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-55390611222949953592010-12-14T12:57:48.585-08:002010-12-14T12:57:48.585-08:00Eocone wrote:
Both you and Scott strangely took t...Eocone wrote:<br /><br /><b>Both you and Scott strangely took the position of some right-wing Christian Fundamentalist Republican stance arguing against what I posted that would have provided evidence for YOUR most cherished Left-Wing environmental cause you claim only your gang champions.</b><br /><br />Eocene, <br /><br />Actions have consequences. You're assuming that actions only have negative consequence when they diverge from instructions of your holy book. The obvious problem here is that this is fallacious reasoning. Actions motivated by the best of intentions, but based on ignorance, can have substantial negative consequences and actions motivated by the worst intentions can have neutral or positive consequences. Unless we're all knowing, which were obviously not, then the outcome need not match our intentions. <br /><br />Furthermore, we keep hearing that the Bible was intentionally not written as a science book. If so, is our inability to convert even a fraction of the 120,000 terrawats of clean and sustainable energy received from the sun, which could easily meet the 15 terrawats of energy we globally consume every year, part of God's plan? Is this omission irrelevant to climate change? <br /><br />Again, it seems you exist in some fact-free zone where the reality of consequences and actions magically disappear should they be inconvenient for your theological views.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11193595678064010528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-33860587576536549572010-12-14T07:43:40.593-08:002010-12-14T07:43:40.593-08:00Thorton:
"What a pathetic excuse."
====...Thorton:<br /><br />"What a pathetic excuse."<br />====<br /><br />Really ???<br />----<br /><br />Thorton:<br />"Another post of mine just vanished.<br /><br />If someone doesn't fix the disappearing post problem this whole blog can kiss off."<br />=====<br /><br />That's no excuse, you must have lied.Eocenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350463133321355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-8861431970655472162010-12-13T23:33:06.381-08:002010-12-13T23:33:06.381-08:00Thorton:
"What a pathetic excuse. You can ty...Thorton:<br /><br />"What a pathetic excuse. You can type wall after wall of meaningless text but you can't type in a simple title/author's name."<br /><br />"Your bluff got called, and now you're busted."<br />====<br /><br />The next time you publish complaint after complaint about your precious posts being deleted by the mysterious Cyber Tinker Bell, then I'll be justified in calling YOU a liar then. Nice !!!<br /><br />You weren't really interested in the truth about any possible Global Warming mechanisms anyway as most of your text content bares this out anyway. Both you and Scott strangely took the position of some right-wing Christian Fundamentalist Republican stance arguing against what I posted that would have provided evidence for YOUR most cherished Left-Wing environmental cause you claim only your gang champions. No wonder there are no solutions to be found. What a hypocrite. Have fun again at your company's Christmas party hypocrite. I'm sure they'll have plenty of booze on hand for you.Eocenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350463133321355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-36931136857390902082010-12-13T12:54:45.570-08:002010-12-13T12:54:45.570-08:00Eocene said...
Thorton:
"Eocene, don't f...<i>Eocene said...<br />Thorton:<br /><br />"Eocene, don't forget your evidence that deforestation causes earthquakes and volcanism. Your "the dog ate my homework" excuse only works so many times.<br /><br />"Post the titles of the appropriate scientific papers that support your amazing claim and I'll look them up myself."<br /><br />I couldn't even do that. I have no idea what screwy things are going on in this thread.</i><br /><br />What a pathetic excuse. You can type wall after wall of meaningless text but you can't type in a simple title/author's name.<br /><br />Your bluff got called, and now you're busted.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-13428142187588856932010-12-13T12:48:26.685-08:002010-12-13T12:48:26.685-08:00Thorton:
"Eocene, don't forget your evid...Thorton:<br /><br />"Eocene, don't forget your evidence that deforestation causes earthquakes and volcanism. Your "the dog ate my homework" excuse only works so many times.<br /><br />"Post the titles of the appropriate scientific papers that support your amazing claim and I'll look them up myself."<br /><br />I couldn't even do that. I have no idea what screwy things are going on in this thread. I just posted response to Scott again with no complicated text or links and it's erased. But then you are already well aware of the idiocy of this software on this site or the Ghost moderator that plays games. I swear I have tried over and over. I'm done here. <br /><br />I think I'll go ahead and create a blog since much of what I know and have personally discovered I already use in planning and practical architeching of environmental layouts, be it in the wild or Urban environment settings. Either way the info is interesting and for the most part has zero to do with these rediculous debates anyway.Eocenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350463133321355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-15958625798973420552010-12-13T12:28:15.797-08:002010-12-13T12:28:15.797-08:00Cornelius wrote in the Eugene Koonin thread:
No, ...Cornelius wrote in the Eugene Koonin thread:<br /><br /><i>No, I was bemoaning the metaphysics parading as science. Evolutionists prove their theory is a fact using a contrastive approach. That is, they argue the data are more likely on their theory than other theories. The unspoken metaphysics is that those other theories are the only possible alternatives. </i><br /><br />No. But you keep on repeating the last statement as if it was a fact. You do realise that there are always more alternatives (an infinite number of them, actually)? It is obviously impossible to test your theory against them all. So, what do you do? Answer: you test your theory against <b>some</b> alternative. Anyone can do it, yourself included. <br /><br /><br />Later:<br /><i>That is an obvious fallacy to which evolution is wedded.</i><br /><br />No, but you are wedded to the idea that evolution is wedded to that idea. (Ah, sandbox fighting...). Get over yourself. It' quite silly to have this massive tantrum over the use of the word "fact".<br /><br /><i>Any alternative that I or anyone else might offer doesn't change the fact that evolution is a metaphysical theory, not open to the scientific interpretation of the evidence.</i><br /><br />The fact that no one proposes an alternative seems to be good evidence that opponents of evolution are not interested to scientific interpretation of the evidence.Hawkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11246883471860150444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-73068454187752144132010-12-13T10:34:47.663-08:002010-12-13T10:34:47.663-08:00Eocene, don't forget your evidence that defore...Eocene, don't forget your evidence that deforestation <b>causes</b> earthquakes and volcanism. Your "the dog ate my homework" excuse only works so many times.<br /><br />Post the titles of the appropriate scientific papers that support your amazing claim and I'll look them up myself.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-82792615638744468242010-12-13T09:07:29.396-08:002010-12-13T09:07:29.396-08:00Eocene wrote:
You people have already display ir...Eocene wrote: <br /><br /><b><i>You people</i> have already display irresponsiblity in your efforts to use them properly anyway. </b><br /><br />Again, with the "You people." Must be nice to live in a black and white world where you know everything about me despite knowing virtually nothing about me - except that I don't share your specific religious beliefs. Furthermore, it must be nice to know you're not part of the problem because you're not one of "those" people. <br /><br />After all, the actual details behind these issues are really just an irrelevant inconvenience. Right?Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11193595678064010528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-6552631134742865272010-12-13T07:36:17.777-08:002010-12-13T07:36:17.777-08:00Eocene wrote:
No, unfortunately for your shortsi...Eocene wrote: <br /><br /><b>No, unfortunately for your shortsightedness, the amount of physical natural/manmade resources are irrelevent.</b><br /><br />It would seem that we can add Supply and Demand to the number of things that Eocene doesn't understand.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11193595678064010528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-40769952772158009812010-12-13T02:46:18.425-08:002010-12-13T02:46:18.425-08:00Well apparently I'm going to have to write an ...Well apparently I'm going to have to write an actual blog about this because deletions are the order and rule of the day here on this software program.Eocenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350463133321355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-72592486173221726492010-12-13T02:22:56.368-08:002010-12-13T02:22:56.368-08:00Scott:
"Eocone,
Is climate change a test? I...Scott:<br /><br />"Eocone,<br /><br />Is climate change a test? Is God in perfect control? If so, it would seem that our resource problem isn't an accident, it was ultimately orchestrated by God.<br />====<br /><br />Climate Change and global ruin have nothing to do with the God of the Bible. However it was foretold to happen exactly as it has according to God's timetable. Very good Scott. *wink*<br />----<br /><br />Scott:<br /><br />I mean, surely, the amount of resources at our disposal can't be an accident. Right?<br />====<br /><br />No, unfortunately for your shortsightedness, the amount of physical natural/manmade resources are irrelevent. You could even have millions more times the resources presently avilable and you'd still botch it up. You people have already display irresponsiblity in your efforts to use them properly anyway. Nothing in your past and present behavior proves that the future will be proving itself much different. Keep praying to that MAYA(illusion) Moon Goddess there Scott. Perhaps she is busy doing something else and is presently unavailable. As Elijah once mocked to the prophet/priests praying to Baal for an answer, maybe your Moon goddess is also busy in the Loo taking a dump and is unable to give a reply.<br />----<br /><br />Scott:<br /><br />So, given the assumptions above, isn't everything going according to plan? Isn't the problem unsolvable by design? (After all, It was all designed, right?)<br />====<br /><br />Actually it's right on track. Thanks for being so observant. Earthquakes in the time of the end were foretold and their origin was by human error and mismanagement of the natural resources all of which a leftwinger position totally agrees with. Good job again Scott.<br />----Eocenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350463133321355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-19570196808328885372010-12-13T01:54:24.676-08:002010-12-13T01:54:24.676-08:00Thorton:
"Actually my team, honest peer-revi...Thorton:<br /><br />"Actually my team, honest peer-reviewed science, is on a 150+ year winning streak. It's the Creationists and IDiots who are 0 for the last two centuries."<br />====<br /><br />Your so called winning team has been directly responsible for bring the natural world to it's proverbial knees and you think this is funny ???<br />There is no difference between your failed ideological position and that of Creationists or IDists. You're gonna have to try harder and do better than hatred to win Thort!!!<br />-----<br /><br />On a side note, is there some moderator here deleting posts out of spite ??? I've lost several again in the last few hours. I'll post web addresses without the actual links and folks will simply have to cut-n-paste them.Eocenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350463133321355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-79495048096739886882010-12-13T01:20:12.041-08:002010-12-13T01:20:12.041-08:00Eocene said...
I take it your team lost yesterda...<i>Eocene said... <br /><br />I take it your team lost yesterday ??? LOL</i><br /><br />Actually my team, honest peer-reviewed science, is on a 150+ year winning streak. It's the Creationists and IDiots who are 0 for the last two centuries.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-77776365771699647482010-12-12T23:58:22.596-08:002010-12-12T23:58:22.596-08:00Eocene wrote,
Most of my critics with this are u...Eocene wrote, <br /><br /><b>Most of my critics with this are usually the extremist "See No Evil - Hear No Evil - Speak No Evil" religious Fundie Right-Wing side who should be at the forefront on this but instead fight tooth and nail to deny anything is wrong.</b><br /><br />Eocone, <br /><br />Is climate change a test? Is God in perfect control? If so, it would seem that our resource problem isn't an accident, it was ultimately orchestrated by God. <br /><br />I mean, surely, the amount of resources at our disposal can't be an accident. Right? And if the problem were to go away, then how would God know who to punish and who to reward? In fact, you said… <br /><br /><b>[Solving the problem of climate change] of course will never happen, but you've been given the opportunity to try.</b><br /><br />So, given the assumptions above, isn't everything going according to plan? Isn't the problem unsolvable by design? (After all, It was all designed, right?)Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11193595678064010528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-14715088953834766852010-12-12T23:57:32.185-08:002010-12-12T23:57:32.185-08:00Eocene,
Are the questions I'm asking really ...Eocene, <br /><br />Are the questions I'm asking really that difficult for you? Really?<br /><br />Because, we're back to where we started from. Example?<br /><br /><b>This is clearly illustrative of how a strict materialist views problem solving as nothing more than requiring only a physical material innovative fix-it-pill approach as opposed to any educational program to try and reach the hearts(seat of motivation) of Earth's inhabitants for a permanent solution. Nice!!!</b><br /><br />Of course, exactly what you meant by a "physical material innovative fix-it-pill approach " was the original question I asked, which still remains unanswered.<br /><br />How a "global educational program" is actually a non-material, non-"fix it pill" solution unclear. Nor is it clear what the specific curriculum would be. <br /><br />Without some underlying explanation as to how the consequences of actions address by this "global educational program" actually effect our climate, this appears to one of many assertions on your part, which we simply keep circling back to. <br /><br />Furthermore, you continue to assume you know everything about me because I'm one of those "atheists." Beyond the obvious problem that non-theism need not indicate any positive beliefs, my comments here which indicate I'm a strong agnostic. God may exist in some form that doesn't reflect any of our conceptions. <br /><br />You, on the other hand, keep presenting false dilemmas based on your personal theological interpretations of phenomena we observe. Somehow, you know that, if God exists, he'd micromanage biological complexity. If God exists, he give us eternal life, rather than intentionally design us with a limited a existence. If God exists, our behavior would be part of some court trial, etc. <br /><br />Of course, you can't think outside of your theological box long enough to realize these are false dilemmas. And when a direct question falls out side of this box, you avoid it by changing the subject to a topic that does.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11193595678064010528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-17252191838738674592010-12-12T21:22:15.790-08:002010-12-12T21:22:15.790-08:00Thorton:
"Where is your evidence that defore...Thorton:<br /><br />"Where is your evidence that deforestation causes earthquakes and volcanism? You seem to be floundering badly."<br />=====<br /><br />The blog comments software wouldn't allow me to continue posting yesterday without deleting as you of all people well know from time to time genius. I'll continue a little later today.<br /><br /> However, it will mostly be for the benefit of the lurkers who may actually be interested and have the ability to dump the ideology, philosophy, religion, bigotry, hate and sarcasm. <br /><br />I take it your team lost yesterday ??? LOLEocenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350463133321355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-63757328289662447102010-12-12T12:03:21.499-08:002010-12-12T12:03:21.499-08:00Eocene said...
The dramatic increase start at the...<i>Eocene said...<br /><br />The dramatic increase start at the year 1915 onwards and is pretty much steady from there to 1997 where a very dramatic rise starts and radically spikes first in 1999 and then especially from the years2003 to 2006 which you can verify from the chart. </i><br /><br />Correlation <b>still</b> doesn't equal causation, dumbassie.<br /><br />Where is your evidence that deforestation <b>causes</b> earthquakes and volcanism? You seem to be floundering badly.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.com