tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post1499310739174603285..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Horizontal Transfer Finally Reaches the EukaryotesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger290125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-5467837746354161572013-01-11T18:44:14.688-08:002013-01-11T18:44:14.688-08:00Nic
"Come on guys, he played well in the Oly...Nic<br /><br />"Come on guys, he played well in the Olympics. Besides, there other guys on the team who take some responsibility for keeping the puck out of the net."<br /><br />I know, it's easy to be an analyst on Internet blog.<br /><br />You should see the mess at soccer games back in ol kountry. There we are not just spectators, we are coaches,too. 50 000 coaches for a big game.Eugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-66133552027488782352013-01-11T14:16:05.588-08:002013-01-11T14:16:05.588-08:00Thorton, Eugen,
"If you think they suck now,...Thorton, Eugen,<br /><br />"If you think they suck now, just wait until they pick up Roberto Lose-own-goal, er, Luongo. :D"<br /><br />"That's right on.:)"<br /><br />Come on guys, he played well in the Olympics. Besides, there other guys on the team who take some responsibility for keeping the puck out of the net. <br /><br />We always want to blame the goalie. Like one goalie said, when the puck goes in the net, the goalie is the only guy on the ice who has a big flashing red light over his head. <br />Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-71764175777411672742013-01-11T13:44:31.600-08:002013-01-11T13:44:31.600-08:00"Roberto Lose-own-goal, er, Luongo. :D"
..."Roberto Lose-own-goal, er, Luongo. :D"<br /><br />That's right on. <br />:)<br />Eugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-32635718107842564332013-01-11T12:51:03.521-08:002013-01-11T12:51:03.521-08:00Nic
Reading through my past postings makes me thi...<i>Nic<br /><br />Reading through my past postings makes me think we need to back this conversation up a bit and clear something up. I can see where you may be misunderstanding what I'm saying regarding NS, and that would be my fault.</i><br /><br />OK, that makes a lot more sense. I was beginning to worry :)<br /><br /><i>I do in fact believe NS occurs. Certain creatures are better suited to survive and do so while others less suited die out. What I don't believe is that this is part of an evolutionary process, which resulted in all life arising from a common ancestor, and proceeding on to yet unknown creatures</i><br /><br />Good, we can discuss (not assert) it. First off, do you know what a feedback loop is and how they work?<br /><br />I wish Blogger had a better format. This one is pretty awful for having an interactive discussion - can't edit, can't post photos or charts, can't put obnoxious asses like Joke on ignore, etc. This thread is getting so long as to be unwieldy. I wonder if we could pick up this conversation on the current OP thread? Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-40085532460825068562013-01-11T12:41:58.512-08:002013-01-11T12:41:58.512-08:00Nic
Eugen: "I support real hockey team - Phi...<i>Nic<br /><br />Eugen: "I support real hockey team - Philadelphia Flyers."<br /><br />You can get help for that affliction. </i><br /><br />If you think they suck now, just wait until they pick up Roberto Lose-own-goal, er, Luongo. :D<br /><br />Nic, truly sorry to hear about your health issues. Best wishes for a full recovery and a speedy return to lacing 'em up. Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-38984970276987925352013-01-11T11:48:39.573-08:002013-01-11T11:48:39.573-08:00Eugen,
"I support real hockey team - Philade...Eugen,<br /><br />"I support real hockey team - Philadelphia Flyers."<br /><br />You can get help for that affliction. Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-84047687543491534992013-01-11T09:32:18.849-08:002013-01-11T09:32:18.849-08:00Hopefully everything is OK with your health and wi...Hopefully everything is OK with your health and will be in the future. <br /><br />How interesting your friend's son plays for our local Maple Leafs. My wife and kids support Leafs who didn't win the cup in more than 40 years. I support real hockey team - Philadelphia Flyers.<br /><br />:DEugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-78583776025100225342013-01-11T08:10:30.168-08:002013-01-11T08:10:30.168-08:00Eugen,
"good to hear you are hockey players ...Eugen,<br /><br />"good to hear you are hockey players and I'm guessing fans. Season will start soon so we'll have something good to watch. Enough of Honey BooBoo."<br /><br />Well I used to be a hockey player, but cancer put that to rest, at least for a while. I am looking forward to the season starting. The son of a former teammate of mine at university plays for the Leafs and It's good to be able to see him play. <br /><br />His dad was a tremendous player himself and really should have been in the NHL. He was small but an amazingly fast skater. You would think you had him lined up for a hit and he would seemingly disappear only to show up behind you on a breakaway.<br /><br />As for Honey Boo Boo, I get more than enough of that program just seeing it in the listings. Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-39435600818885452532013-01-11T08:00:46.682-08:002013-01-11T08:00:46.682-08:00Thorton,
"Futuyma and I can demonstrate clea...Thorton,<br /><br />"Futuyma and I can demonstrate clearly what happens in his examples is NS. Really, that's not even a serious challenge."<br /><br />Reading through my past postings makes me think we need to back this conversation up a bit and clear something up. I can see where you may be misunderstanding what I'm saying regarding NS, and that would be my fault. <br /><br />I do in fact believe NS occurs. Certain creatures are better suited to survive and do so while others less suited die out. What I don't believe is that this is part of an evolutionary process, which resulted in all life arising from a common ancestor, and proceeding on to yet unknown creatures.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-39661222717938871912013-01-11T05:57:43.677-08:002013-01-11T05:57:43.677-08:00Thorton, Nic
good to hear you are hockey players ...Thorton, Nic<br /><br />good to hear you are hockey players and I'm guessing fans. Season will start soon so we'll have something good to watch. Enough of Honey BooBoo.Eugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-58122582790097917452013-01-11T05:30:10.181-08:002013-01-11T05:30:10.181-08:00Thorton is so freaking stupid he should learn to s...Thorton is so freaking stupid he should learn to shut up.<br><br /><br><br />Now he is proving that he doesn't even understand the theory of evolution!<br><br /><br><br />On another Cornelius Hunter's blog <a href="http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-coyne-is-false.html?showComment=1276520872702#c5518469787583704719" rel="nofollow"><b>Thorton tried to put me in my place</b></a> when I had said:<br><br /><br><br /><b>There isn't any evidence that genetic accidents can accumulate in such a way as to give rise to new protein machinery, new body parts and new body plans</b><br><br /><br><br /><i><br />Good thing then that the actual scientific theory doesn't posit life evolving through genetic 'accidents'. <br><br /><br><br />Have you ever read a college level biology book in your life? Have you ever read any science textbooks?</i><br /><br><br /><br><br />Unfortunately for Thorton I understand the ToE and science better than he does:<br><br /><br><br /><a href="http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-coyne-is-false.html?showComment=1276523822648#c1530163261946647196" rel="nofollow"><b>Thorton shot down by reality</b></a><br><br /><br><br />So now what does Thorton do?<br><br /><br><br />Why it throws a hissy fit as expected...<br><br /><br><br />Evotards are sooo predictable.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-73508456371020374902013-01-11T04:23:37.529-08:002013-01-11T04:23:37.529-08:00thorton is just a liar who doesn't know what e...thorton is just a liar who doesn't know what evidence is. He will believe anything his high priests say- he is nothing but a blind and ignorant believer of evolutionism.<br /><br />He sez he will discuss the evidence but he can't. There is no way anyone can say that natural selection made any adaptation. It is all post hoc and ad hoc evolutionary nonsense.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-81125710009634239622013-01-10T21:57:51.273-08:002013-01-10T21:57:51.273-08:00Nic
Oh, so the fact you have not been able to cha...<i>Nic<br /><br />Oh, so the fact you have not been able to change my mind is a demonstration of my stupidity?</i><br /><br />I never said you were stupid. I said you're afraid to actually discuss the evidence, which you are.<br /><br /><i>You assume Futuyama is correct and wish to prove it to me. that's not discussion, that's assertion.</i><br /><br />No, I offered to discuss it. I offered you the chance to explain why you though his examples aren't NS and I would explain why I think they are. That's <b>discussion</b>, and you refused.<br /><br /><i>Can Futuyama or anyone prove by observation that what happens in nature is indeed NS? The answer is no,</i><br /><br />Proof is for liquor and math problems. Futuyma and I can demonstrate clearly what happens in his examples is NS. Really, that's not even a serious challenge.<br /><br /><i>I fully understand the concept of NS.</i><br /><br />I don't think you do. Why don't you explain it to me in your owns words what NS is and how it fits into evolutionary processes and we'll <b>discuss</b> your understanding.<br /><br /><i>A few years ago I played a few games against the son of an NHL legend, Max Bentley. </i><br /><br />Pretty kewl!<br /><br />Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-42266677304086909582013-01-10T21:27:05.125-08:002013-01-10T21:27:05.125-08:00Thorton,
"Nope, not my job. All I can do is ...Thorton,<br /><br />"Nope, not my job. All I can do is show you the scientific literature, offer to teach, and point out how little you actually know on the subject. You can lead a Creationist to the evidence but you can't make him think. :)"<br /><br />If you're trying to point out how little I know are not then trying to change my mind?<br /><br />"The fact that you refuse to read and/or discuss any of the many scientific references I've shown you (like the Futuyma one on NS and adaptation) is an excellent demonstration of the point."<br /><br />Oh, so the fact you have not been able to change my mind is a demonstration of my stupidity? I have discussed your references, the fact I don't agree with you is not proof of my ignorance. It's simply proof of a different opinion.<br /><br />"I offered to discuss the technical details of any example from Futuyma you chose and show you specifically why it's correct but but you refused."<br /><br />When did I refuse? You assume Futuyama is correct and wish to prove it to me. that's not discussion, that's assertion. Can Futuyama or anyone prove by observation that what happens in nature is indeed NS? The answer is no, and more people are coming to this position on NS.<br /><br />"I have to say I'm a bit gobsmacked that anyone could not understand such a basic concept as natural selection."<br /><br />I fully understand the concept of NS. Understanding it does not require I believe it is responsible for the actions we see in nature. <br /><br />"How do you think hockey playoff teams are determined? A league of non-identical teams compete for the limited number of slots, the top teams that out-compete the others survive to make the playoffs."<br /><br />True, but those teams don't get there by some blind, uncaring force acting on random game results. <br /><br />"That's fundamentally no different,..."<br /><br />Au contre, it's totally different.<br /><br />"If someone hit you hard enough to not understand that you'd be dead. :("<br /><br />I'm touched to see my demise would make you sad. Thank you.<br /><br />"I was working back in DC in 1994 when the first NHL lockout occurred. Got to play in a few scrimmages with/against some of the Caps. Didn't get clocked by any but man, there's a reason those guys made the NHL."<br /><br />Yes there is. And be thankful you never got clocked. I might as well have hit a brick wall. <br /><br />Several of the guys I grew up with went to play for professional teams. I was approached, but you have to have the proper temperament, and I simply didn't have it. I loved to play, but only when I wanted to. Making it a job took it all away for me.<br /><br />A few years ago I played a few games against the son of an NHL legend, Max Bentley. Even though he was in his 50s this guy was phenomenal. When he skated it was if he never touched the ice, but instead glided over it. He never played in the NHL as he resented the way his father and uncle had been treated. They hounded him for years to sign, but he never did. Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-64186235646156759332013-01-10T20:57:58.630-08:002013-01-10T20:57:58.630-08:00velikovskys,
"It is un falsifiable."
...velikovskys,<br /><br />"It is un falsifiable." <br /><br />That's irrelevant to its truthfulness, or lack thereof.<br /><br />"However lack of evidence of a mechanism,or artifacts, or known intelligent being capable of the engineering skill is a lack of supporting positive evidence."<br /><br />Lack of supporting evidence is not evidence that such a being does not exist. <br /><br />However, I do not agree that supporting evidence is lacking. What we witness in our everyday lives provides strong evidence for the existence of just such a being. It is simply a philosophical choice as to what you accept as evidence.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-1565066168272022682013-01-10T20:48:27.105-08:002013-01-10T20:48:27.105-08:00Nic
I thought that was your goal, to at least try...<i>Nic<br /><br />I thought that was your goal, to at least try to change my mind.</i><br /><br />Nope, not my job. All I can do is show you the scientific literature, offer to teach, and point out how little you actually know on the subject. You can lead a Creationist to the evidence but you can't make him <b>think.</b> :)<br /><br /><i>Perhaps you can demonstrate my willful ignorance and fear of science, you can't seem to demonstrate anything else.</i><br /><br />The fact that you refuse to read and/or discuss any of the many scientific references I've shown you (like the Futuyma one on NS and adaptation) is an excellent demonstration of the point.<br /><br /><i>I can understand the difference, but I don't see the relevance. If NS is true, it is true regardless of who or how many people believe it.</i><br /><br />Again, I never said NS was true because many people believe it. I offered to discuss the technical details of any example from Futuyma you chose and show you specifically why it's correct but but you refused. If that's not fear or a desire to stay willfully ignorant then what is it?<br /><br />I have to say I'm a bit gobsmacked that anyone could not understand such a basic concept as natural selection. Even among Creationists that's quite daft. How do you think hockey playoff teams are determined? A league of non-identical teams compete for the limited number of slots, the top teams that out-compete the others survive to make the playoffs. <br /><br />That's fundamentally no different than a population of non-identical animals that all compete for the same limited resources, the ones that out-competence the others survive to mate and pass on their genes.<br /><br />If someone hit you hard enough to not understand that you'd be dead. :(<br /><br /><i>As for the hit in the head, the puck was not the hardest, that would be the Los Angeles Kings defenseman who caught me with my head down. That one still hurts.</i><br /><br />I was working back in DC in 1994 when the first NHL lockout occurred. Got to play in a few scrimmages with/against some of the Caps. Didn't get clocked by any but man, there's a <b>reason</b> those guys made the NHL. Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-33424786379095008582013-01-10T19:56:55.268-08:002013-01-10T19:56:55.268-08:00Thorton,
"LOL! Of course not. I said you'...Thorton,<br /><br />"LOL! Of course not. I said you've already made up your closed mind and only evidence that would take a time machine to gather will change it." <br /><br />I thought that was your goal, to at least try to change my mind. If you've got the facts present them. Give us an example of NS. <br /><br />"Again Nic, your willful ignorance and fear of science is your problem, not the scientific community's." <br /><br />Perhaps you can demonstrate my willful ignorance and fear of science, you can't seem to demonstrate anything else. I know, I know, you don't need to demonstrate my stupidity, I do a good job on my own. <br /><br />"I didn't say NS is true because so many trained people accept it. I said so many trained people accept it because the available evidence has convinced them.<br /><br />If you can't understand the difference maybe you got hit in the head harder than you realize."<br /><br />I can understand the difference, but I don't see the relevance. If NS is true, it is true regardless of who or how many people believe it. The same holds if NS is not true. People can be convinced something is true when indeed it's not. Their being convinced is irrelevant to the actual truth or falsehood of the subject.<br /><br />As for the hit in the head, the puck was not the hardest, that would be the Los Angeles Kings defenseman who caught me with my head down. That one still hurts.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-58810089900740747292013-01-10T18:40:33.079-08:002013-01-10T18:40:33.079-08:00Fatboy Joke G
And we are saying that they, like y...<i>Fatboy Joke G<br /><br />And we are saying that they, like you, are full of shit. "It just happened" is all they can say given unguided evolution. </i><br /><br />You can <i>say</i> whatever nonsense you like Fatboy. Until you can back it up you're just another fat-assed ignorant Creationist passing gas.<br /><br />Fatboy Joke Gallien, dumbest Creationist of them all.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-86607388029658252192013-01-10T18:22:20.664-08:002013-01-10T18:22:20.664-08:00Liar for liars thorton:
I said so many trained peo...Liar for liars thorton:<br /><i>I said so many trained people accept it because the available evidence has convinced them.</i><br /><br />And we are saying that they, like you, are full of shit. "It just happened" is all they can say given unguided evolution. <br />Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-12725902360701922592013-01-10T17:56:33.968-08:002013-01-10T17:56:33.968-08:00Nic
Thorton: "Scientifically ignorant you on...<i>Nic<br /><br />Thorton: "Scientifically ignorant you on the other hand have already decided such a thing is impossible and are demanding impossible and frankly ridiculous criteria."<br /><br />So, in effect, you're admitting that NS cannot be demonstrated to be a fact and is yet another piece of the evolutionary puzzle which is unsupportable outside of the presupposition parameters of evolutionary theory.</i><br /><br />LOL! Of course not. I said you've already made up your closed mind and only evidence that would take a time machine to gather will change it. <br /><br />Again Nic, your willful ignorance and fear of science is your problem, not the scientific community's.<br /><br /><i>Appealing to the vast majority who believe it to be true is futile, in case you didn't know</i><br /><br />I didn't say NS is true because so many trained people accept it. I said so many trained people accept it because the available evidence has convinced them. <br /><br />If you can't understand the difference maybe you got hit in the head harder than you realize.Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-13620400396057084472013-01-10T14:39:50.278-08:002013-01-10T14:39:50.278-08:00Thorton,
"Scientifically ignorant you on the...Thorton,<br /><br />"Scientifically ignorant you on the other hand have already decided such a thing is impossible and are demanding impossible and frankly ridiculous criteria."<br /><br />So, in effect, you're admitting that NS cannot be demonstrated to be a fact and is yet another piece of the evolutionary puzzle which is unsupportable outside of the presupposition parameters of evolutionary theory.<br /><br />Appealing to the vast majority who believe it to be true is futile, in case you didn't know. Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-19482369901637343052013-01-10T11:17:56.277-08:002013-01-10T11:17:56.277-08:00Liar for liars:
The examples provided are indisput...Liar for liars:<br /><i>The examples provided are indisputable to people who study and understand the subject.</i><br /><br />You mean the people who spew propaganda. There isn't any science behind the claim that naturalselectiondidit.<br /><br /><br />Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-65325421620054326132013-01-10T11:04:26.881-08:002013-01-10T11:04:26.881-08:00Nic
Thorton: "Why won't you pick one exa...<i>Nic<br /><br />Thorton: "Why won't you pick one example and explain why you think it's not really NS."<br /><br />I have a better idea. </i><br /><br />OK, you're afraid to deal with the technical details. Got it.<br /><br /><i>Why don't you provide an indisputable example of NS. </i><br /><br />Indisputable to who? The examples provided <b>are</b> indisputable to people who study and understand the subject.<br /><br />Scientifically ignorant you on the other hand have already decided such a thing is impossible and are demanding impossible and frankly ridiculous criteria.<br /><br />If you can't give any reasons why the rest of the world should require your ridiculous criteria then you'll understand if you get laughed at then ignored.<br /><br />Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-71847309092443815672013-01-10T10:30:48.450-08:002013-01-10T10:30:48.450-08:00Thorton,
"Why won't you pick one example...Thorton,<br /><br />"Why won't you pick one example and explain why you think it's not really NS."<br /><br />I have a better idea. Why don't you provide an indisputable example of NS. Of course, in doing so you would have to be able to identify and describe every RM that occurred and then be able to demonstrate which of those RMs was chosen and why.<br /><br />Do you think you're up to it?Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693133888203943510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-87094986405500072982013-01-10T09:51:00.601-08:002013-01-10T09:51:00.601-08:00LoL! Thorton continues to prove that it is ignoran...LoL! Thorton continues to prove that it is ignorant of science-<br /><br />Hey dumbass, you need positive evidence that it was natural selection. Right now all you have are Futuyma's bald assertions. That ain't science.<br /><br />So stuff your bluff, you coward.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.com