tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post1328440606165218664..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Evolutionists Are Now Saying That Evolution Created an Optimized Evolutionary ProcessUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-40141702377223480872012-07-06T04:19:06.932-07:002012-07-06T04:19:06.932-07:00No, it's a death row pardon for whoever will a...<i>No, it's a death row pardon for whoever will accept it!</i><br /><br />Such a wonderful loving god. First it sends you to death row, then it pardons you on the condition that you worship it. <br /><br />Glad it doesn't exist.troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-23621084671264044172012-07-05T20:45:48.188-07:002012-07-05T20:45:48.188-07:00it is a absurdity to imagine evolution creating th...it is a absurdity to imagine evolution creating the immune system and this needed as a tool of evolution to continue.<br />surely in our time evolutionary biology will fall over.<br />It just is silly in its claims and impossible.Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-21200033624807992122012-07-05T15:24:14.710-07:002012-07-05T15:24:14.710-07:00Flagellation interruptusFlagellation interruptusvelikovskyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10957523527184649923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-8509165262490011612012-07-05T14:50:14.782-07:002012-07-05T14:50:14.782-07:00oleg:
Missed the point by a mile, Cornelius!
Act...oleg:<br /><br /><i>Missed the point by a mile, Cornelius!</i><br /><br />Actually I didn't miss it at all.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-22421334299112766032012-07-05T14:46:06.417-07:002012-07-05T14:46:06.417-07:00"At any rate, it's blackmail, isn't i..."At any rate, it's blackmail, isn't it?"<br /><br />No, it's a death row pardon for whoever will accept it!<br /><br />G.O.S.P.E.L. Poetry Slam; To The Point<br />http://vimeo.com/20960385bornagain77https://www.blogger.com/profile/16666666037080692370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-79801834946631784272012-07-05T14:40:57.917-07:002012-07-05T14:40:57.917-07:00But they require fine tuning to even exist. Go fig...But they require fine tuning to even exist. Go figure!bornagain77https://www.blogger.com/profile/16666666037080692370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-85784689856453839082012-07-05T14:14:03.631-07:002012-07-05T14:14:03.631-07:00ba77, you are barking up the wrong tree. Liquids ...ba77, you are barking up the wrong tree. Liquids don't require life!oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-59153876672778883852012-07-05T14:05:28.404-07:002012-07-05T14:05:28.404-07:00"That's laughable, ba77"
Really???
..."That's laughable, ba77"<br /><br />Really???<br /><br />Calculations indicate that if the strong nuclear force, the force that binds protons and neutrons together in an atom, had been stronger or weaker by as little as 5%, life would be impossible. (Leslie, 1989, pp. 4, 35; Barrow and Tipler, p. 322.) <br /><br />If the neutron were not about 1.001 times the mass of the proton, all protons would have decayed into neutrons or all neutrons would have decayed into protons, and thus life would not be possible. (Leslie, 1989, pp. 39-40 ) <br /><br />If the electromagnetic force were slightly stronger or weaker, life would be impossible, for a variety of different reasons. (Leslie, 1988, p. 299.) <br />http://www.discovery.org/a/91<br /><br />Etc.. etc..<br /><br />Oleg you simply have no basis for your claim that the basic spherical shape of drops of liquid are the result of a random accident, since if any of the fundamental forces of the universe differed even slightly then the drops of liquid would nor even exist in the first place (spherical or otherwise).,,, You have deluded yourself to think the shape is unintended when all you have done in reality is merely listed some of the superficial reasons why drops of liquid take on a spherical shape.,,, Whether on purpose or on accident you have IMO, at the end of the day, robbed yourself of the sense of wonder that is essential for true scientific discovery and understanding!<br /><br />“There are two ways to live: you can live as if nothing is a miracle; you can live as if everything is a miracle.”<br />Albert Einsteinbornagain77https://www.blogger.com/profile/16666666037080692370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-49774599496753631652012-07-05T12:30:08.965-07:002012-07-05T12:30:08.965-07:00ba77: Every universal constant that governs the fu...ba77: <i>Every universal constant that governs the fundamental atomic forces within drops of liquid, to ultimately give drops of liquid their spherical shape, are finely-tuned to a extreme degree</i> <br /><br />That's laughable, ba77. There is no need to fine-tune interactions. As long as the energy of a molecule inside the liquid is lower than the energy of a molecule on its surface, energy minimization will require minimization of the surface area (at constant volume). Hence a spherical shape. That's why it is a universal effect. No fine-tuning.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-24269170113558466992012-07-05T12:25:19.195-07:002012-07-05T12:25:19.195-07:00oleg you state, "the spherical shape is assum...oleg you state, "the spherical shape is assumed by a droplet of any liquid, not just water."<br /><br />And you know that 'spherical shapes' for drops of liquid are not designed how exactly???? Every universal constant that governs the fundamental atomic forces within drops of liquid, to ultimately give drops of liquid their spherical shape, are finely-tuned to a extreme degree.,, Thus once again you simply have no basis for your claim that the spherical shape is not designed!!! <br /><br />Fine-Tuning For Life In The Universe<br />http://www.reasons.org/fine-tuning-life-universe<br /><br />Evidence for the Fine Tuning of the Universe<br />http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/designun.htmlbornagain77https://www.blogger.com/profile/16666666037080692370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-46106795407221036272012-07-05T12:20:22.335-07:002012-07-05T12:20:22.335-07:00Troy, this is what Jesus tells you:
“You are from...<i>Troy, this is what Jesus tells you:<br /><br />“You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am He you will die in your sins.” John 8:23-24<br /></i><br /><br />Is that what Jesus tells me, or is it what "John" wants me to believe the alleged Jesus tells me? At any rate, it's blackmail, isn't it? Believe in me or else. What kind of sociopath would say a thing like that? If that's your idea of a loving god, then I would suggest you carefully re-examine that idea.troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-46085731513715555992012-07-05T11:53:31.998-07:002012-07-05T11:53:31.998-07:00ba77, the spherical shape is assumed by a droplet ...ba77, the spherical shape is assumed by a droplet of any liquid, not just water.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-80081257421843569792012-07-05T11:45:56.332-07:002012-07-05T11:45:56.332-07:00,,,Capillary action is also essential for the circ...,,,Capillary action is also essential for the circulation of the blood in our very own capillary blood vessels. Water's melting and boiling point are not where common sense would indicate they should be when we look at its molecular weight. The three sister compounds of water all behave as would be predicted by their molecular weight. Oddly, water just happens to have melting and boiling points that are of optimal biological utility. The other properties of water we measure, like its specific slipperiness (viscosity) and its ability to absorb and release more heat than any other natural substance, have to be as they are in order for life to be possible on earth. Even the oceans have to be the size they are in order to stabilize the temperature of the earth so human life may be possible. On and on through each characteristic we can possibly measure water with, it turns out to be required to be almost exactly as it is or complex life on this earth could not exist. No other liquid in the universe comes anywhere near matching water in its fitness for life (Denton: Nature's Destiny).<br /><br />Here is a more complete list of the anomalous life enabling properties of water:<br /><br />Anomalous life enabling properties of water<br />http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/anmlies.html<br /><br /> Water's remarkable capabilities - December 2010 - Peer Reviewed<br /> Excerpt: All these traits are contained in a simple molecule of only three atoms. One of the most difficult tasks for an engineer is to design for multiple criteria at once. ... Satisfying all these criteria in one simple design is an engineering marvel. Also, the design process goes very deep since many characteristics would necessarily be changed if one were to alter fundamental physical properties such as the strong nuclear force or the size of the electron.<br /> http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/12/pro-intelligent_design_peer_re042211.html<br /><br /> Water's quantum weirdness makes life possible - October 2011<br /> Excerpt: WATER'S life-giving properties exist on a knife-edge. It turns out that life as we know it relies on a fortuitous, but incredibly delicate, balance of quantum forces.,,, They found that the hydrogen-oxygen bonds were slightly longer than the deuterium-oxygen ones, which is what you would expect if quantum uncertainty was affecting water’s structure. “No one has ever really measured that before,” says Benmore.<br /> We are used to the idea that the cosmos’s physical constants are fine-tuned for life. Now it seems water’s quantum forces can be added to this “just right” list.<br /> http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.900-waters-quantum-weirdness-makes-life-possible.htmlbornagain77https://www.blogger.com/profile/16666666037080692370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-62074993839849556692012-07-05T11:45:09.160-07:002012-07-05T11:45:09.160-07:00Dr. Hunter states: "Human immune system compa...Dr. Hunter states: "Human immune system compared with drop of water. That's evolution for you."<br /><br />oleg retorts: "Yet nobody is surprised that molecules manage to "solve" this difficult mathematical problem. You know why? 'Cause molecules don't use variational calculus to do that. And neither did the immune system."<br /><br />oleg perhaps you should look closer at a drop of water before you base your argument on the 'non-design' of water!<br /><br />When we look at water, the most common substance on earth and in our bodies, we find many odd characteristics which clearly appear to be designed. These oddities are absolutely essential for life on earth. Some simple life can exist without the direct energy of sunlight, some simple life can exist without oxygen; but no life can exist without water. Water is called a universal solvent because it has the unique ability to dissolve a far wider range of substances than any other solvent. This 'universal solvent' ability of water is essential for the cells of living organisms to process the wide range of substances necessary for life. Another oddity is water expands as it becomes ice, by an increase of about 9% in volume. Thus, water floats when it becomes a solid instead of sinking. This is an exceedingly rare ability. Yet if it were not for this fact, lakes and oceans would freeze from the bottom up. The earth would be a frozen wasteland, and human life would not be possible. Water also has the unusual ability to pull itself into very fine tubes and small spaces, defying gravity. This is called capillary action. This action is essential for the breakup of mineral bearing rocks into soil. Water pulls itself into tiny spaces on the surface of a rock and freezes; it expands and breaks the rock into tinier pieces, thus producing soil. Capillary action is also essential for the movement of water through soil to the roots of plants. It is also essential for the movement of water from the roots to the tops of the plants, even to the tops of the mighty redwood trees,,,<br /><br />Towering Giants Of Teleological Beauty - October 2010<br />http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/towering-giants-of-teleological-beauty/bornagain77https://www.blogger.com/profile/16666666037080692370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-31603858291000730342012-07-05T10:29:05.124-07:002012-07-05T10:29:05.124-07:00Missed the point by a mile, Cornelius!
In both e...Missed the point by a mile, Cornelius! <br /><br />In both examples, we have an optimization problem that requires a great effort to solve (calculus of variation, functional derivatives, the whole enchilada). Yet nobody is surprised that molecules manage to "solve" this difficult mathematical problem. You know why? 'Cause molecules don't use variational calculus to do that. And neither did the immune system. <br /><br />So I am not impressed by your references to calculus of variations.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-8374358941453430892012-07-05T07:30:25.533-07:002012-07-05T07:30:25.533-07:00oleg:
And did you know that a spherical droplet m...oleg:<br /><br /><i>And did you know that a spherical droplet minimizes the surface area at a constant volume of the liquid? OMG, that requires calculus of variations!</i><br /><br />Human immune system compared with drop of water. That's evolution for you.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-61172534656879331572012-07-05T04:38:08.354-07:002012-07-05T04:38:08.354-07:00oleg you state:
"Did you know that you can u...oleg you state:<br /><br />"Did you know that you can use calculus of variations to show that the shortest path between two points in the plane is a straight line?"<br /><br />And oleg, exactly why should a 'straight line' even exist as a rational concept in your mind if materialism was true. i.e. Exactly which material basis does the straight line and other geometrical principles come from? Children are born with this 'natural' ability! <br /><br />Geometric Principles Appear Universal in Our Minds - May 2011<br />Excerpt: Villagers belonging to an Amazonian group called the Mundurucú intuitively grasp abstract geometric principles despite having no formal math education,,, Mundurucú adults and 7- to 13-year-olds demonstrate as firm an understanding of the properties of points, lines and surfaces as adults and school-age children in the United States and France,,,<br />http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/05/universal-geometry/<br /><br />Moreover oleg, why is this abstract concept of a flat, immaterial, 'straight line' found to govern material reality if materialism were actually true??? <br /><br />Did the Universe Hyperinflate? – Hugh Ross – April 2010<br />Excerpt: Perfect geometric flatness is where the space-time surface of the universe exhibits zero curvature (see figure 3). Two meaningful measurements of the universe’s curvature parameter, ½k, exist. Analysis of the 5-year database from WMAP establishes that -0.0170 < ½k < 0.0068.4 Weak gravitational lensing of distant quasars by intervening galaxies places -0.031 < ½k < 0.009.5 Both measurements confirm the universe indeed manifests zero or very close to zero geometric curvature,,,<br />http://www.reasons.org/did-universe-hyperinflate<br /><br />As well oleg why does the Cosmic Background Radiation form a sphere instead of some other random geometric shape as would be expected in a 'randomly generated' universe?<br /><br />Picture of CMBR<br />https://webspace.utexas.edu/reyesr/SolarSystem/cmbr.jpg<br /><br />The Known Universe by AMNH – video<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jymDn0W6U<br /><br /> Proverbs 8:26-27<br /> While as yet He had not made the earth or the fields, or the primeval dust of the world. When He prepared the heavens, I was there, when He drew a circle on the face of the deep,,,<br /><br />oleg exactly what rational reason is there for any of this if atheistic materialism were true? There simply is no rational reason for us to find that 'abstract' geometric concepts govern material reality if materialism were true! There simply is no reason, per materialism, to expect to find as such!<br /><br />Isaiah 1:18<br />"Come now, and let us reason together,",,,<br /><br />Music:<br /><br />The Great Day (from The Story featuring Michael W. Smith and Darlene Zschech) <br />http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=WL6WPPNXbornagain77https://www.blogger.com/profile/16666666037080692370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-35905637561017606882012-07-04T22:48:40.025-07:002012-07-04T22:48:40.025-07:00Hunter,
Either your blog's comment database h...Hunter,<br /><br />Either your blog's comment database has been hacked or you are deliberately deleting multiple sequential comments without warning. Several comments by Thorton and myself disappeared from your recent post tiled, "Evolution Professor: Special-Creation “Effectively Eliminated”".<br /><br />What's even stranger is that they disappeared temporarily for a short while, reappeared long enough for me to reply to a comment by Thorton and then they vanished permanently. What gives?<br /><br />What's really annoying is that I was whipping Thorton's behind.Rebel Sciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11762287159937757216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-34973387231612154362012-07-04T17:09:45.701-07:002012-07-04T17:09:45.701-07:00Troy, this is what Jesus tells you:
“You are from...Troy, this is what Jesus tells you:<br /><br />“You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am He you will die in your sins.” John 8:23-24<br /><br />Think about this while staring at your ceiling as you lay in your bed tonight. And by the way, you might want to thank Him that you have a bed and a roof over your head.aedgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08573193484415936404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-58376488569558712912012-07-04T16:39:12.462-07:002012-07-04T16:39:12.462-07:00Dr Hunter I posted your article on FB and Caroline...Dr Hunter I posted your article on FB and Caroline Evenbly Crocker, who I believe was in the movie 'Expelled', responded, "As an immunology PhD, I wrote about something like this a couple years ago. See here:"<br />http://www.americaninstitutetechnologyscienceeducation.com/educational-resources/articles-video/evolution-and-intelligent-design/comments-on-kathryn-applegate%E2%80%99s-may-posts-on-by-caroline-crocker-msc-phd/bornagain77https://www.blogger.com/profile/16666666037080692370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-29691294910983068502012-07-04T16:08:38.946-07:002012-07-04T16:08:38.946-07:00And, incredibly, light minimizes the time of trave...And, incredibly, light <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat's_principle" rel="nofollow">minimizes the time of travel</a> when it gets from point A to point B. That applies to light in the vacuum or in a medium or any combination thereof, with multiple mirrors or lenses in the way! <br /><br />Just how does a beam of photons solve this terribly complex problem? Who taught them the calculus of variation? God, of course.oleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644793385433232819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-506728869348282372012-07-04T15:33:32.609-07:002012-07-04T15:33:32.609-07:00Apparently batspit77 is the only one left on duty ...Apparently batspit77 is the only one left on duty to defend Creationist stupidity against attacks by the intelligent, educated segment of the population. <br /><br />But never fear! Armed with his trusty {ctrl}C and [ctrl}V keys he'll fight off those sciency types with massive doses of batspit77 C&Ped blithering drivel!Ghostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-63939688771195061562012-07-04T15:28:27.000-07:002012-07-04T15:28:27.000-07:00Yeah, just too bad that no contemporary writers bo...Yeah, just too bad that no contemporary writers bothered to report the Jesus zombie and all the other zombies that roamed Jerusalem according the babble. They must have overlooked that bizarre spectacle.troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-56677151907588145822012-07-04T15:16:35.274-07:002012-07-04T15:16:35.274-07:00Troy you seem to have a a pretty big religious ...Troy you seem to have a a pretty big religious 'chip on your shoulder' for "Jesus". Did you have a bad experience with a fundamentalists religion growing up??? If so I'm sorry to hear about it. I know a Catholic man who had a very rough time with 'religion' because of a pedophile priest he encountered as he grew up. But he has worked through it and has become a very strong 'spiritual' Christian with a strong 'personal relationship' with God despite his traumatic experience growing up. Well regardless of whatever caused you to be so hostile towards "Jesus", the fact is that a VERY strong case can be made, from empirical evidence itself, that Christ actually rose from the dead:<br /><br />Notes:<br /><br />THE GOD OF THE MATHEMATICIANS - DAVID P. GOLDMAN - August 2010<br />Excerpt: we cannot construct an ontology that makes God dispensable. Secularists can dismiss this as a mere exercise within predefined rules of the game of mathematical logic, but that is sour grapes, for it was the secular side that hoped to substitute logic for God in the first place. Gödel's critique of the continuum hypothesis has the same implication as his incompleteness theorems: Mathematics never will create the sort of closed system that sorts reality into neat boxes.<br />http://www.firstthings.com/article/2010/07/the-god-of-the-mathematicians<br /><br />Kurt Gödel - Incompleteness Theorem - video<br />http://www.metacafe.com/w/8462821 <br /><br />Mathematicians and physicists seem to have forgotten the lesson of incompleteness born out by Godel for they are currently trying to 'unify' the mathematical equations of Quantum Mechanics with the equations of General Relativity into a 'theory of everything' without considering that God is necessary to bring 'completeness' to logic. Needless to say they are running into severe difficulties in achieving unification. Yet, when one allows God into math, as Godel indicated must ultimately be done to keep math from being 'incomplete', then a very credible, empirically backed, reconciliation between Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity into a 'Theory of Everything' readily becomes apparent for us!<br /><br />The God of the Mathematicians - Goldman<br />Excerpt: As Gödel told Hao Wang, “Einstein’s religion [was] more abstract, like Spinoza and Indian philosophy. Spinoza’s god is less than a person; mine is more than a person; because God can play the role of a person.” - Kurt Gödel - (Gödel is considered by many to be the greatest mathematician of the 20th century)<br />http://www.firstthings.com/article/2010/07/the-god-of-the-mathematicians<br /><br />General Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, Entropy, and The Shroud Of Turin - updated video<br />http://vimeo.com/34084462<br /><br />Centrality of Each Individual Observer In The Universe and Christ’s Very Credible Reconciliation Of General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics<br />https://docs.google.com/document/d/17SDgYPHPcrl1XX39EXhaQzk7M0zmANKdYIetpZ-WB5Y/edit?hl=en_US<br /><br />Further note:<br /><br />It is also interesting to note that 'higher dimensional' mathematics had to be developed before Einstein could elucidate General Relativity, or even before Quantum Mechanics could be elucidated;<br /><br />The Mathematics Of Higher Dimensionality – Gauss & Riemann – video<br />http://www.metacafe.com/watch/6199520/<br /><br /> 3D to 4D shift - Carl Sagan - video with notes<br /> Excerpt from Notes: The state-space of quantum mechanics is an infinite-dimensional function space. Some physical theories are also by nature high-dimensional, such as the 4-dimensional general relativity.<br /> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VS1mwEV9wAbornagain77https://www.blogger.com/profile/16666666037080692370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-70484847427655545822012-07-04T14:51:09.676-07:002012-07-04T14:51:09.676-07:00Jesus must be proud of you for spamming another po...Jesus must be proud of you for spamming another post! That's one extra virgin for you in heaven.troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136662027396943138noreply@blogger.com