tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post1308615784117050858..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: Forget the Micro Flies, See These Micro FrogsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-72951140720311813672015-06-11T03:07:22.550-07:002015-06-11T03:07:22.550-07:00There is plenty of empirical evidence for ID. It&#...There is plenty of empirical evidence for ID. It's claims can be tested and either conformed or falsified.<br /><br />OTOH we cannot test the claim that natural selection and/ or drift can produce something like ATP synthase.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-76339998290037136062015-06-11T03:05:30.916-07:002015-06-11T03:05:30.916-07:00There isn't any theory of evolution.There isn't any theory of evolution.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-5149679371716037032015-06-10T16:46:52.920-07:002015-06-10T16:46:52.920-07:00Uninformed not uniform. I definitely did not mean ...Uninformed not uniform. I definitely did not mean uniformed arguments!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18045786850473763289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-45116886786798563312015-06-10T16:44:58.237-07:002015-06-10T16:44:58.237-07:00Says Calamity who sites evolution.Berkeley as a so...Says Calamity who sites evolution.Berkeley as a source. i think you could do a little better than that IMO. Understand both sides of the argument before posting such critical yet uniformed arguments. It is wildly clear you do not understand evolution or what ID proposss. It is one thing to not know, but to be so sure of yourself is beyond me. DO BETTER!<br />P.S. Trying to discredit DR. Hunter's credentials just shows your level of incompetence. Ad hominems never work, it just shows you have nothing to offer... oh wait, besides reciting a few bullet points from evolution.Berkeley. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18045786850473763289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-23599383542124738462015-06-10T13:52:16.351-07:002015-06-10T13:52:16.351-07:00Calamity:
I am happy that you agree with me on th...Calamity:<br /><br /><i>I am happy that you agree with me on the non-scientific nature of miracles.</i><br /><br />I was merely stating your position, for clarity.<br /><br /><i>For the rest, yes, there is enough empirical evidences to say that all people working in evolutionary biology are not all dumb idiots and that evolution is a fact.</i><br /><br />OK, good. So your position is:<br /><br />1. Miracles are unscientific and so must be excluded from science.<br />2. Plus miracles are a scam.<br />3. And it just so happens that not only is the strictly naturalistic explanation (i.e., evolution) required by science (because miracles must be excluded), but the scientific evidence just so happens to show evolution if a fact.<br /><br />That's quite a coincidence.<br /><br />With few exceptions, this is the evolutionary position. It reveals at least one of the reasons why evolutionists lower the bar so far for their theory. It has to be true. It explains why, even though the evidence reveals evolution to be unlikely, it is magically transformed into "compelling" evidence.Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-1346542157654957812015-06-10T13:41:19.390-07:002015-06-10T13:41:19.390-07:00Short answer :
#1 You can google the topics for ...Short answer : <br /><br />#1 You can google the topics for infos. I'm not an ID scpecialist, it's your turn to show me what kind of framework ID offers to analyze nature.<br /><br />#But should we really expect bad design from the designer? Who created the universe ?Calamityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03247404259851404588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-82818397793626528282015-06-10T13:38:09.595-07:002015-06-10T13:38:09.595-07:00I am happy that you agree with me on the non-scien...I am happy that you agree with me on the non-scientific nature of miracles. <br /><br />For the rest, yes, there is enough empirical evidences to say that all people working in evolutionary biology are not all dumb idiots and that evolution is a fact.Calamityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03247404259851404588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-7989570038652052102015-06-10T13:10:58.665-07:002015-06-10T13:10:58.665-07:00It's not my fault. The theory of evolution is ...It's not my fault. The theory of evolution is a fully fledge one, with textbooks, scientific journals and thousands of people making a living out of it.<br />The burden of proof is not on evolutionists, but on ID people. <br /><br />I would actually be glad if one of you guys could explain me one natural phenomenon through the lense of ID theory. <br /><br />For example, the textbook example of sickle cell anemia and malaria in West Africa. What could bring ID to help understand better this phenomenon ?Calamityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03247404259851404588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-15024871446135588382015-06-10T10:47:41.592-07:002015-06-10T10:47:41.592-07:00Calamity:
You don't rule out miracles a prior...Calamity:<br /><br /><i>You don't rule out miracles a priori.<br />You rule them out de facto because they are by definition attributed to a divine entity.<br /><br />Science is concerned about what follows the law of nature.<br /><br />Moreover, miracles are just scams.</i><br /><br />OK, de facto. Miracles are not only unscientific, they also are scams.<br /><br />Is this why evolution is a fact, or does the biological empirical evidence make evolution a fact?Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-67375825047129943872015-06-10T09:34:28.468-07:002015-06-10T09:34:28.468-07:00Calamity
#1, What is the evolutionary explanation...Calamity<br /><br />#1, What is the evolutionary explanation for the questions you asked? Why can't they work for ID as well?<br /><br />#2. We know from the way people design things that not all things are well designed. Or sometimes design requires compromises. It's just it is really hard to explain an example of really good design without coming on to design?natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-21210825793305389512015-06-10T08:44:54.936-07:002015-06-10T08:44:54.936-07:00You have such a straw arguments against ID.
And y...You have such a straw arguments against ID. <br />And you never answer questions with any science.PhillyMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09048456402828838092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-5995476306485793482015-06-10T08:29:50.278-07:002015-06-10T08:29:50.278-07:00Just some simple example to show that ID does not ...Just some simple example to show that ID does not help at all to understand some practical questions in biology :<br />Funny ones : <br /><br />Why is wombat poop square ?<br />Why are seals raping penguins ?<br /><br /><br />More serious one : <br /><br />How can you predict the fate of an invading species ?<br />How can you preserve the genetic pool of an endangered species ?<br />How is evolving the general mutation load of the human species ?<br /><br />ID can't help with those issues, since it only talk about how well designed are things and how everything is so complex.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Calamityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03247404259851404588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-15033416623500087012015-06-10T06:01:06.864-07:002015-06-10T06:01:06.864-07:00ID predicts that organisms will have characteristi...ID predicts that organisms will have characteristics of designed things, like irreducible complexity, highly specified complexity, and functional integration of parts. And we see that. In fact the theory of evolution by natural selection is an attempt to explain the appearance of design without coming on to design.natschusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13127240463824366637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-84767077376411024372015-06-10T04:41:36.064-07:002015-06-10T04:41:36.064-07:00You don't rule out miracles a priori.
You rule...You don't rule out miracles <i>a priori</i>.<br />You rule them out <i> de facto</i> because they are by definition attributed to a divine entity.<br /><br />Science is concerned about what follows the law of nature.<br /><br />Moreover, miracles are just scams. <br />Would you believe somebody who say he was ressucitated ? Would you believe somebody who say he can transform water into wine ?<br />Do you trust the catholic church when she recognizes contemporary miracles ?<br /><br /><br />The fact that you seems to think that miracles are acceptable as a scientific fact baffles me.<br /><br />Maybe you got you PhD by miracle ?Calamityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03247404259851404588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-35962391172660275712015-06-10T03:15:36.133-07:002015-06-10T03:15:36.133-07:00Why would scientists recognize ID ? There is no em...Why would scientists recognize ID ? There is no empirical evidences nor an enonciated scientific theory for ID. <br />You can't even do predictions with ID, so as a scientist you can't work with it.<br /><br />What predictions can you do with ID? It's gonna be more complex ? Hopefully a miracle will happen ?Calamityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03247404259851404588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-76013929506986778972015-06-09T10:12:55.416-07:002015-06-09T10:12:55.416-07:00Yes. Miracles are not science
So when evolutionis...<i>Yes. Miracles are not science</i><br /><br />So when evolutionists say evolution is a scientific fact, then that is because they have ruled out miracles a priori? Or is it just a coincidence?Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-87940519335981429322015-06-09T07:32:52.102-07:002015-06-09T07:32:52.102-07:00Here we have Calamity showing the crux of the enti...Here we have Calamity showing the crux of the entire problem.<br />"You are fighting a lost cause. Evolution is teached in all europe and the Americas, people are making a living out of it."<br />If they recognize ID it would mean no more grants etc for the evolutionists. The religion of Mammon is behind it. PhillyMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09048456402828838092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-70979682807574596172015-06-09T02:53:33.813-07:002015-06-09T02:53:33.813-07:00Yes. Miracles are not science Mr Hunter.
Believin...Yes. Miracles are not science Mr Hunter.<br /><br />Believing in miracles doesn't help you making good science.Calamityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03247404259851404588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-45664368702340696552015-06-08T16:43:35.529-07:002015-06-08T16:43:35.529-07:00There is any biological explanation about what and...There is any biological explanation about what and how determines the size of a body?Blashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205610477389739651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-90213623233435172802015-06-08T12:00:37.569-07:002015-06-08T12:00:37.569-07:00Calamity:
and are okay with miracles. Then it doe...Calamity:<br /><br /><i>and are okay with miracles. Then it doesn't help the creation of knowledge if for every odd phenomenon you brush it off with a "god did it, no need to think about it".</i><br /><br />So miracles are not allowed?Cornelius Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283098537456505707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-54037156224612607792015-06-08T10:31:51.450-07:002015-06-08T10:31:51.450-07:00Wrong- ID does not need a designer to do the chang...<i>Wrong- ID does not need a designer to do the changes.</i><br />Then what do ID uses ? This hidden program ?Calamityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03247404259851404588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-49626174872341687772015-06-08T09:43:47.685-07:002015-06-08T09:43:47.685-07:00I didn't brush it off without thinking about i...I didn't brush it off without thinking about it. Which changes are random?Marcushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05905104887549850614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-25151978403103277102015-06-08T05:55:48.591-07:002015-06-08T05:55:48.591-07:00Wrong- ID does not need a designer to do the chang...Wrong- ID does not need a designer to do the changes. Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-56320717349495129752015-06-08T05:55:02.393-07:002015-06-08T05:55:02.393-07:00I did NOT ask for evidence for evolution. Obviousl...I did NOT ask for evidence for evolution. Obviously you have other issues.<br /><br />Intelligent Design is not anti-evolution. You are clueless.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-91250111064322785612015-06-08T04:34:39.101-07:002015-06-08T04:34:39.101-07:00If Joe G did not find any reedeeming evidences for...If Joe G did not find any reedeeming evidences for evoluton even if provided by the University of Berkeley, then for sure, there is no science of evolution.<br /><br />You are fighting a lost cause. Evolution is teached in all europe and the Americas, people are making a living out of it.<br />What you need is transform ID into a real science, find evidences of the designer and find who she/he is. <br /><br />You won't shake the field of biology because of your ignorance and unability to learn complicated concepts.Calamityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03247404259851404588noreply@blogger.com