tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post1134986620028940398..comments2024-01-23T02:32:28.567-08:00Comments on Darwin's God: World’s Oldest Tree is World’s Most Complex Tree Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-30321557296969745132017-11-16T13:09:14.749-08:002017-11-16T13:09:14.749-08:00Wait, natural selection is supposed to be a design...Wait, natural selection is supposed to be a designer mimic. That is what Darwin said and that is how it is being promoted today.<br /><br />Merely changing allele frequency doesn't get you to a designer mimic.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-74871095730276773522017-11-10T05:03:47.393-08:002017-11-10T05:03:47.393-08:00"no one has ever demonstrated natural selecti...<i>"no one has ever demonstrated natural selection producing anything beyond a change in allele frequency"</i><br /><br />I don't understand why we should be surprised or uncomfortable, or whatever, that natural selection does what natural selection is supposed to do by definition. Natural selection is a metaphor for the higher probability of survival of individuals with advantageous allies, and lower probability of survival for individuals with disadvantageous alleles.<br /><br />If we found natural selection doing something other than what it stands for, then we would have quite a problem with our conceptual frameworks.Gabohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17552375541700079254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-12405370716285679232017-11-08T12:18:04.693-08:002017-11-08T12:18:04.693-08:00Louis is not interested in an answer, but I am. An...<i>Louis is not interested in an answer, but I am. Any answers gutless dirt worshippers?</i><br /><br />LOL. I know what the answer is. It's just not the kind of answer dirt worshipers (Darwinists) would accept. Dirt worshippers are know-nothing, gutless, lying jackasses.Rebel Sciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11762287159937757216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-60816779216088414422017-11-08T06:23:44.019-08:002017-11-08T06:23:44.019-08:00"How come the most complex species have the s...<i>"How come the most complex species have the slowest reproductive rates? It should be other way around."</i><br /><br />Very, but very, interesting. I wish I knew some gutless dirt worshippers. Then I could ask them how come that a complex life form requires more time and energy to be developed, leaving little resources for faster reproductive rates. Clearly, it should be the other way around.<br /><br />An authentic puzzle.<br /><br />Louis is not interested in an answer, but I am. Any answers gutless dirt worshippers?Gabohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17552375541700079254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-45947267660728377642017-11-02T06:08:11.175-07:002017-11-02T06:08:11.175-07:00"Rather than the tree laying down one growth ..."Rather than the tree laying down one growth ring under the bark every year, each of the hundreds of individual strands were growing their own rings, like a large collection of mini trees."<br /><br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-21170419747651778032017-11-02T00:32:02.703-07:002017-11-02T00:32:02.703-07:00Article:
"The narrow strands were arranged i...Article:<br /> "The narrow strands were arranged in an organised fashion and were interconnected to each other like a finely tuned network of water pipes."<br /><br />"The new discovery shows conclusively that the connections between each of the strands would split apart in a curiously controlled and self-repairing way to accommodate the growth."<br /><br />"complex growth mechanisms that they employed."<br /><br />Kludges?? Article doesn't suggest anything like that, quite the opposite.Eugenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15513772766225981430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-14398977493663287332017-10-31T05:59:39.096-07:002017-10-31T05:59:39.096-07:00Yes, willie, we all know that is the extent of you...Yes, willie, we all know that is the extent of your scientific knowledge. It is also the extent of Zachriel's scientific knowledge.<br /><br />Strange how ignorance runs amok amongst evolutionists.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-6503878683613203132017-10-30T17:10:19.417-07:002017-10-30T17:10:19.417-07:00Joke: “What benefit? Show your work.”
In the immo...Joke: “<i>What benefit? Show your work.”</i><br /><br />In the immortal (and inane) words of Mapou:<br /><br />“<i>ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...”</i><br /><br />Please correct me if I misquoted him or took him out of context. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-63603444931190486042017-10-30T07:21:04.247-07:002017-10-30T07:21:04.247-07:00Blas: So life started with a kludge?
Possibly, b...<b>Blas</b>: <i>So life started with a kludge? </i><br /><br />Possibly, but we were discussing the evolution of trees. <br /><br /><b>Blas</b>: <i>What makes that this trees couldn´t get additional benefit refining their kludge? </i><br /><br />Huh? They did get additional benefits from refining the kludge. <br /> Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-90233252809194577752017-10-30T04:13:59.680-07:002017-10-30T04:13:59.680-07:00Zachriel :The kludge must necessarily precede refi...Zachriel :<i>The kludge must necessarily precede refinements to the kludge, of course.</i><br /><br />So life started with a kludge?<br /><br />Zachriel :<i>Because kludges provide an evolutionary benefit. They are further refined for additional benefits. </i><br /><br />What makes that this trees couldn´t get additional benefit refining their kludge? Blashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205610477389739651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-1775973588348622652017-10-29T07:03:37.872-07:002017-10-29T07:03:37.872-07:00What if the kludge is the refinement?
Because klu...What if the kludge is the refinement?<br /><br /><i>Because kludges provide an evolutionary benefit. </i><br /><br />What benefit? Show your workJoe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-55795238626163153262017-10-28T07:05:10.995-07:002017-10-28T07:05:10.995-07:00Blas: Not clear enough if you can´t say if kludges...<b>Blas</b>: <i>Not clear enough if you can´t say if kludges followed refinements or/and viceversa.</i><br /><br />The kludge must necessarily precede refinements to the kludge, of course. <br /><br /><b>Blas</b>: <i>Then why first were selected kludges and after were selected refinements? </i><br /><br />Because kludges provide an evolutionary benefit. They are further refined for additional benefits. <br /><br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-51536516769388959822017-10-27T08:32:03.459-07:002017-10-27T08:32:03.459-07:00The fossil record clearly shows an evolutionary hi...<i>The fossil record clearly shows an evolutionary history.</i> <br /><br />Not clear enough if you can´t say if kludges followed refinements or/and viceversa.<br /><br /><i>These early complicated kludges were supplanted by more optimized and refined structures.</i><br /><br />Then why first were selected kludges and after were selected refinements?Blashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205610477389739651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-43108612165770068362017-10-27T07:54:42.223-07:002017-10-27T07:54:42.223-07:00The fossil record clearly shows an evolutionary hi...<i>The fossil record clearly shows an evolutionary history.</i><br /><br />In your mind, perhaps.<br /><br /><i>These early complicated kludges were supplanted by more optimized and refined structures</i><br /><br />What optimized and refined them? Show your work.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-57249237754502209112017-10-27T06:19:31.555-07:002017-10-27T06:19:31.555-07:00Blas: At this point nobody knows if there is an ev...<b>Blas</b>: <i>At this point nobody knows if there is an evolutionary history.</i><br /><br />The fossil record clearly shows an evolutionary history. <br /><br /><b>Blas</b>: <i>But trees joined togheter is a rarity if it is better, if it is a reproductivity winner why the most of the trees are not trees joined togheter? </i><br /><br />These early complicated kludges were supplanted by more optimized and refined structures. Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-10362046013213157832017-10-27T04:17:59.391-07:002017-10-27T04:17:59.391-07:00Well, at this point, no one knows the exact evolut...<i>Well, at this point, no one knows the exact evolutionary history,</i><br /><br />At this point nobody knows if there is an evolutionary history.<br /><br /><br /><i> but several trees joined together can grow taller than any single tree, allowing the plant to crowd out other plants.</i> <br /><br />But trees joined togheter is a rarity if it is better, if it is a reproductivity winner why the most of the trees are not trees joined togheter?Blashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205610477389739651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-80359895000859693532017-10-26T13:28:36.509-07:002017-10-26T13:28:36.509-07:00several trees joined together can grow taller than...<i>several trees joined together can grow taller than any single tree</i><br /><br />Evidence, please. Coastal redwoods are the tallest trees and they do not grow with several joined togetherJoe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-65894214752162686752017-10-26T10:56:32.251-07:002017-10-26T10:56:32.251-07:00Blas: Several trees growiing togheter were selecte...<b>Blas</b>: <i>Several trees growiing togheter were selected and then the "refined" tree were selected again? </i><br /><br />Well, at this point, no one knows the exact evolutionary history, but several trees joined together can grow taller than any single tree, allowing the plant to crowd out other plants. <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-91111717674470506482017-10-26T10:48:37.896-07:002017-10-26T10:48:37.896-07:00Timmy thinks alleles have a wavelength. Talk about...Timmy thinks alleles have a wavelength. Talk about stupidity...Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-40758852272593709652017-10-26T10:31:26.597-07:002017-10-26T10:31:26.597-07:00Evolutionary innovations are often kludges, which ...<i>Evolutionary innovations are often kludges, which are later optimized and refined. </i><br /><br />Evolutionism doesn't have a process capable of optimization. Natural selection isn't about optimization.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-27554394894967247522017-10-26T09:25:37.699-07:002017-10-26T09:25:37.699-07:00Several trees growiing togheter were selected and ...Several trees growiing togheter were selected and then the "refined" tree were selected again?Blashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205610477389739651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-33879519492016918782017-10-26T08:28:36.288-07:002017-10-26T08:28:36.288-07:00Evolutionary innovations are often kludges, which ...Evolutionary innovations are often kludges, which are later optimized and refined. In the case of the Devonian Cladoxylopsida, it's as if several trees are growing together, resulting in complication. <br />Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081260898264733380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-32334770154040634762017-10-26T08:15:38.206-07:002017-10-26T08:15:38.206-07:00Timmy:
thinks is the same as allele wavelength
N...Timmy:<br /><i> thinks is the same as allele wavelength</i><br /><br />No, because I, unlike Timmy and Willie, understand that CONTEXT is important. And CONTEXT seems to be a word that those two evoTARDs cannot understand.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-69030951145547226942017-10-25T21:26:02.280-07:002017-10-25T21:26:02.280-07:00Joke G: And no one has ever demonstrated natural ...<i>Joke G: And no one has ever demonstrated natural selection producing anything beyond a change in allele frequency.</i><br /><br />Which Joke G thinks is the same as allele wavelength. :DGhostriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686873801972423841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3855268335402896473.post-40062768735411194802017-10-25T13:44:50.753-07:002017-10-25T13:44:50.753-07:00Sadly, people more knowledgeable than you and I, d...<i>Sadly, people more knowledgeable than you and I, disagree. </i><br /><br />Even more sad is those same people cannot demonstrate what they say. So no one cares if they disagree or not because they don't have any evidence to support their claims. If they did then peer-reviewed journals would be full of such demonstrations as opposed to being full of speculations based on the assumption.<br /><br />And no one has ever demonstrated natural selection producing anything beyond a change in allele frequency. It doesn't matter that people disagree with that as they cannot demonstrate otherwise.<br /><br />That is where you and I differ. I require evidence and you just blindly believe people that you think are some authority.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.com